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Teagan_JosephsonThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Feb. 11 at 7:14 pm

What is happiness to you, how do you get there? Do you think our society is made to make all happy? What is happiness?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 14 at 7:56 pm

Man was made for happiness! It's the wonderful feeling that comes from having achieved the goal we were created to achieve. As a Christian, I firmly believe that happiness can only be found in God...and there it is found in abundance, I can assure you. :) The happiest I've ever felt has been after receiving Holy Communion, when I'm closer to God than any other time.

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stuntddude replied...
Feb. 15 at 9:35 am

What do you think about happiness that people don't find in God? For example, if an atheist does something that goes against your religious beliefs and experiences happiness as a result, how do you explain that?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 15 at 2:36 pm

Depends. It might be a misconception of the good, or it might be pleasure rather than happiness. Give me an example.

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stuntddude replied...
Feb. 15 at 6:57 pm

Say for example a g.ay couple live together happily and have a healthy and fulfilling romantic and se.xual relationship, but never formally marry and never decide to raise any children.

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CringeWorthyCliche replied...
Feb. 15 at 7:29 pm

I think happiness was made for man. It's kind of strange to think that man was made for happiness...

If it weren't for us, would happiness even exist?
@Teagan

Happiness is beer after a hard day at work. It's completing homework on time. Happiness is a back massage from a se.xy women. It's chocolate cake, cheese cake, carrot cake, brownies. It's a winning game of League of Legends. It's mas.turbation. It's understanding scriptures. It's seeing types and shadows in the Old Testament. It's Milo Yiannopoulos...

I get to most of this through the interent, I guess. Some of it, like the cake, I just buy at the store.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 16 at 5:34 pm

Well first off I would argue that our definitions of "healthy and fulfilling romantic and se.xual relationship" are drastically different, Stunt...but let's not get into that here. :)
 
It's possible for people to find some kind of happiness in sinful things. But it's not a lasting happiness. Even if it does seem to last here on earth, at the end of our lives we'll find out our sins weren't worth it...we'll have to pay for them, either in P.urgatory or in H.ell. 
 
Something should probably be said about individual moral formation, too. I can judge sins objectively (i.e., I denounce h.omos.exual acts as wrong) but I can't judge people's hearts; only God can do that.

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stuntddude replied...
Feb. 16 at 6:09 pm

"Well first off I would argue that our definitions of "healthy and fulfilling romantic and se.xual relationship" are drastically different"
 
I know you said "let's not get into that here", but unfortunatley I know no such restraint. :P If a straight couple has a healthy and fulfilling romantic and se.xual relationship, and a g.ay couple lives the exact same lifestyle together and does all the same things, would you consider the g.ay couple's relationship to be healthy and fulfilling or not?
 
"Even if it does seem to last here on earth, at the end of our lives we'll find out our sins weren't worth it...we'll have to pay for them, either in P.urgatory or in H.ell."
 
In other words, if I'm understanding corrrectly, people can find happiness without God, but only for the remainder of their mortal life.

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stuntddude replied...
Feb. 16 at 6:35 pm

@CringeWorthyCliche
 
You lost me right there at the end. Milo Yiannopoulos? Are you sure you didn't mean to type someone else's name? Someone, I don't know... less miserable, I guess?

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FunneThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 18 at 2:30 pm

I believe that the human race and happiness are 2 seperate concepts made seperately. I also believe that true happiness is found through a freedom of the soul.

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Teagan_JosephsonThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 18 at 4:31 pm

Sorry its been so long I'm an atheist, but am not a hateful one like some I know.
@LucyAgnes, I agree with you in that happiness can and does stem from the idea of achieving a goal. But I do have to say that I don't agree with this. At least the “only” part, “I firmly believe that happiness can only be found in God...and there it is found in abundance,”  I’m sure that your faith is a main and very powerful source of contentedness but it's not the only one. I've experienced happiness in an abundance that has come from love. As well as other things. I definitely agree with you that pleasure and happiness are often thought as the same thing. I’m reading an amazing book called “Pleasure Trap” That talks about that directly. Hope to see you in the forum more! Thanks

@stuntddude, i’ve wondered that same thing too. Religion often, is a great source of thinking and questioning in my mind. Hope to see you in the forum more! Thanks 

@CringyWorthyCliche, Couldn’t help laugh at some of your response

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Teagan_JosephsonThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 18 at 4:33 pm

Comuters weird rest of response to cringyworthycliche
Anyway, Some of the things you listed off, to me, are instant in-the-moment pleasures. Not really what true happiness is. Self awareness, or love to me is what life is about. Eating cake may be nice in the moment but long term, you could get heart disease, diabetes, ect. I don’t think happiness would exist. Animals have a motivation triad.

Don't get hurt, avoid pain and other hurtful things

Pleasure (sexu.al,eating)

Energy conservation

Not much room for happiness. Us humans have made ways to get instant pleasure, and most of them are bad for us. Hope to see you in the forum more! Thanks

Thanks everyone for Participating, First forum so thanks!!!

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CringeWorthyCliche replied...
Feb. 18 at 9:06 pm

@Teagan
I don't know if you're closing off the thread, but I'll reply to your last post anyway.
 
You're right about my list. It's filled with instant pleasures. But to separate it from true happiness? You also said that self awareness and love are what life is about. But what if self awareness and true love are also just temporary?
 
The average human life is... Eighty years? That's nothing compared to the average age of... turtles?? I don't know, i guess. I'm trying to say that people's lives are just as temporary as my erection. It's a gross illustration, but it's true. Both will eventually fade away. So, self awareness and love will also fade away.
 
Um... I might be going more extreme than what I inteded... Let me end on this note. Happiness should be more than a cringe worthy cliche. 

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Teagan_JosephsonThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 18 at 9:48 pm

Not closing the thread, just thanking.
 
ha ha true. Life isn't just about self awarness or love, but I think those are powerfull things. Self awarness to me is reflecting about yourslef and study who you really are. There is a great quote that I know, "‚ÄčLife is like a pen.is, sometimes its up sometimes its down, but it never stays hard for long." ‚ÄčLife is definitely temporary but would you like to make that span as good as possible.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 19 at 12:00 pm

@stuntddude:
I would say it's impossible for a g.ay couple to have the exact same healthy s.ex.ual relationship a he.ter.os.exual couple has. If a he.ter.os.exual couple has a really fulfilling and beautiful relationship, it's because they're living out the marriage vocation in accordance with God's plan (whether or not they're Christian...it's a natural law thing). This would mean being open to life (in other words, not using artificial c.ontraception...as we've been discussing on another thread). A h.omo.se.xual couple can't be fulfilling God's plan for s.ex, therefore their relationship cannot be the same as the healthy r.omantic and s.exual relationship of one man and one woman joined in marriage. If you don't believe in God that argument doesn't carry as much weight, but I believe it's the truth. 
 
I suppose you could find happiness without God...but if in the end it's only going to lead to more misery, can it really be called happiness?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 19 at 12:04 pm

@Teagan:
By "all happiness comes from God," I didn't mean so much "all happiness comes from religious observance" as I did that all happiness comes from good things, and all good things come from God. Basically, if you don't sin, you'll end up happy...although happiness can be affected by other factors besides your spiritual state, such as pain and sickness and death. 
 
There's a St. John Bosco quote that goes something like this: "Do whatever you want, only don't sin." I think that's a pretty good formula for happiness. :)

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CringeWorthyCliche replied...
Feb. 19 at 9:28 pm

@Teagan
I've come to realize that we are in agreement. It appears that we have different views of happiness, but we don't! My "list" is simply applying my knowldege of what I learned about myself (self awareness) about what I love (LOoOoOove).
 
@Lucy
What if a traditional married couple had an unfulfilling, ugly relationship. But they were both very good christians who were virgins 'till post-ceremony, never cheated (not even the "lust with your eyes" cheat), and wore matching jammies. I don't think that a traditional marraige is necessarily good...or at least inherently better than a union between to dudes.
 
I think they're both equally bad.
 
Also, you stated that if a person doesn't sin, that person will end up happy. So, if a person does sin, that person would end up sad. However, sin is unavoidable, right? It's ever present, ever lived, ever breathed, and ever eaten. Shouldn't people be ever sad?
 
Do whatever you want, only don't sin? That rules out everything within a person's ability, maybe even a person's imagination!
 
"Do whatever you want, only don't sin. So, if you want to live your life miserable and conflicted, this should be easy."- C.W. Cliche
 
Jokes aside. That quote is a good reminder of Jesus Christ's suffering and death for our sins. His suffering, by the way, wasn't from the roman execution, but his entire life on earth. His very earthly existence was painful! And he's God!
Wouldn't christians believe that happiness has nothing to do with what they do?

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stuntddude replied...
Feb. 19 at 11:17 pm

"I would say it's impossible for a g.ay couple to have the exact same healthy s.ex.ual relationship a he.ter.os.exual couple has."
 
Do you have evidence-based reasons to believe this, or is it something purely based on your religious beliefs?
 
"This would mean being open to life (in other words, not using artificial c.ontraception...as we've been discussing on another thread)."
 
Same question as above.
 
"if in the end it's only going to lead to more misery, can it really be called happiness?"
 
I mean, yeah. Happiness can be short-term.
 
@CringeWorthCliche
 
Am I correct in inferring that you're a negative utilitarian?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 20 at 3:34 pm

@CringeWorthyCliche:
Oh, t.raditionally m.arriages can be bad, I'm not denying that. What I meant to say was that even the best possible h.om.os.e.xual r.elationship can't have all the benefits a good t.raditional m.arriage has. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Well, s.ins can be big or little, and I would argue they lead to misery in some sort of proportion. Like, m.urder leads to more unhappiness than telling a w.hite l.ie. Just because I think something mean about my brother doesn't mean I'll be d.epres.sed the rest of my life. :P On the other hand, I would also argue that we are ever sad. Most people would agree life isn't exactly a picnic. All unhappiness can be traced back, in theory, to s.in (that is, e.vil.)
 
Ruling out s.in rules out everything within a person's ability? :) I don't think so. I can think of a lot of things I can do for fun, besides s.inning. 

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 20 at 3:41 pm

@stuntddude:
 
"Do you have evidence-based reasons to believe this...?"
Yes and no. I definitely have evidence that a g.ay couple can't have what Christians define as a healthy s.ex.ual r.elationship--it's different in essence. That definition is where we disagree; mine is based both on faith and reason.
I think I've got some right to be offended by the implication that my religious beliefs aren't evidence-based reasons--after all, there's a reason I'm Catholic. :) 
 
"Same question as above."
Same answer as above.
 
"I mean, yeah. Happiness can be short-term."
I'll accede that point. God is the only ultimate source of happiness, then. 

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