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Oct. 5, 2016 at 8:18 pm

Oblivion. Something we all fear, whether we admit it, or not.
 
But what is death?
 
Is the universe really "just matter and the void"? Or, is there more to it? Perhaps not an afterlife, perhaps not Heaven, perhaps not Hel.l—or perhaps, there is. Maybe oblivion is not the end.
 
No condition is permanent. That is one of the indisputable truths of the universe. Evidently, life is not a permanent condition, so couldn't we say the same for death?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 16, 2016 at 9:28 pm

As a Catholic, I've never felt the need to wonder too much about death, really. :) It's when my soul separates from my body and comes face to face with its Creator. And He'll look at me lovingly and say, "Do you want to spend eternity with me?"
And if I've lived my life well, if I've prepared my heart for this its wedding moment, I'll say, "Yes, Lord." And He'll take me into the banquet.
If I've lived my life only for myself, I'll say, "No. I want to spend eternity with me." And He'll let me. And a great, empty rage will take hold of my soul, and away I'll swirl into an eternity of hatred...

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stuntddude replied...
Oct. 18, 2016 at 1:50 am

That sounds very poetic, but worrying if you believe it to be literally true.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 18, 2016 at 4:44 pm

Why shouldn't it be true?

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stuntddude replied...
Oct. 18, 2016 at 9:26 pm

To be clear, I mean that it would be worrisome if you believe that what you said is literally true, not worrisome of what you said is literally true.

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WordAddict replied...
Oct. 18, 2016 at 9:58 pm

@Lucy,
 
I don't mean to derail this thread too much, but I'm just wondering—you seem to say that death is a choice between eternal punishment, or eternal holy paradise with God. So it's not the end—and you don't fear it because of this? You don't fear that God will make the choice for you?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 19, 2016 at 9:30 am

Oh, no, it's not the end. It's just the beginning. :) I'm not afraid that God will make the choice for me, because He's all good and wants me to have my own free will. The only thing I'm afraid of is not choosing Him in time. See, my will is only changeable during my lifetime. At the moment of death, my will is set. So I have to say yes to Him before I see Him, if you know what I mean.

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WordAddict replied...
Nov. 5, 2016 at 11:52 pm

I've been wondering about your response for a bit, I guess; "It's just the beginning." And I realize that, even for non-religious people, the same might be true for them. An ending is simply another beginning, after all. When you exit through a doorway, you will never step out into a blank void, but rather into another space of existence. In other words, what I gather from what you are saying is that death is when we trade the close boundaries of the world we know for an even more expansive realm. So, death is not any more death than it is rebirth. For you, it is meeting your maker, though you already knew Him from the start. Instead, you will then meet Him through different circumstances. Does that sound about right?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 12, 2016 at 12:54 pm

About right. :) It's not just opening into a bigger world, but into the world I was meant for. It's meeting God, Who I was made for, in Whom I can alone be happy. It's the end of the trip and the beginning of the vacation - a vacation without any end. :) 

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 12, 2016 at 12:55 pm

Assuming I've lived a good life, of course, and chosen God. If I reject Him, death will be horrifying, the exact opposite of happily ever after.

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Nov. 12, 2016 at 7:17 pm

An interesting thought. I normally don't participate in the Philosophy and Thought forums, but this one has piqued my interest. 
 
Like @Lucy-Agnes, I believe in an afterlife. I'm a Mormon (like my url says) and we believe that this life is an oppurtunity to gain a physical body and learn the difference between right and wrong. In short, this life is a test and oppurtunity to become more like our heavenly father. Once we die, we are going back to the life we knew before we were born to live eternally with our heavenly father. 
My religion also doesn't believe in the standard heaven and hel.l. We believe in three kingdoms, or degrees of glory, in which we will be placed in based on our life. Even the lowest degree of glory is better than the life we know now. 
So, in short, I believe death is simply a passing from this life to the next (a life which lasts forever)
 
I would go into greater detail on the afterlife I believe in (because there's so much more!), but I probably already sound too preachy. But if you are curious to learn more, you can look up the LDS plan of salvation. 

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 12, 2016 at 10:15 pm

This was interesting, @the-mormon-introvert. I never really knew what Mormons believed, so I'm glad you commented (and don't worry, you don't sound preachy at all!). If you ever want to "argue" (in the sense of having a friendly, truth-seeking conversation) about the differences in Catholic and Mormon doctrine, I'd be interested. :)

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Nov. 13, 2016 at 11:54 am

Thanks @Lucy-Agnes! I'm always curious about what other religions believe because my church is similar in a lot of ways to most churches, but also extremely different in other ways. So, yes! I would be interested a religious discussion any time if you want to talk about the differences in our doctrines :)

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Nov. 14, 2016 at 5:21 pm

Hi. The topic here got really interesting and KUDOS to @Lucy-Agnes for bolding speaking about what you believe. I'm a nondenominational Christian so my beliefs are pretty much the same. I believe heaven and he.ll and I know that it is so important how I live my life here on earth and while I'm here I want to spread the news of God's love to ppl. I have no fear of death, I actually look forward to it because then I will finally be with God and Jesus and feel the overwhelming love and glory and be with my loved ones. I have a greataunt who is close to passing and while it is hard and I am sad, I know I will see her again.
@the-mormon-introvert
I like how you say "Once we die, we are going back to the life we knew before we were born to live eternally with our heavenly father". Though our beliefs differ in some ways, that is the main best important part of death and the afterlife, going back "home".

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 16, 2016 at 12:38 pm

I'm sorry to hear about your great aunt, warriorwritergirl. I'll pray for her, you, and your family. I just lost an uncle in October, so death has been on my mind, too. Sometimes I think it's not death itself that's sad, but the "how" and the "when" of it. It's hard to see our loved ones suffer, and it's hard to be left on earth without them. Other than that...it's natural, and if we've lived a good life, joyful.

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CNBono17 replied...
Nov. 16, 2016 at 12:44 pm

There is a mildly funny quote from the movie Fireproof that I believe summarizes the Christian view of death and dying rather concisely. 
 
"Are you afraid of dying?" 
"No, because I know where I'm going. I just don't want to get there 'cause I got hit by a train."

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 16, 2016 at 5:20 pm

Haha! Or as my grandpa used to say, "Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but nobody's in a hurry to get there."

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Nov. 16, 2016 at 6:36 pm

Thanks you guys. It really is the "how" and "when" of it. No one wants the person to be in pain or suffering. Thank God she isn't in pain, at least I hope not. But it's also the watching the person deteriorate, but I have to remind myself it is the body deteriorating - not the spirit.
Sorry about your uncle @Lucy-Agnes.
Also, I love that quote from Fireproof (great movie btw). And also the grandpa quote.
So many ways to view death. To me, death is a flight of stairs leading to a door, but sometimes I wish it was more like an escalator or elevator. I don't think I'm making sense anymore.

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Nov. 16, 2016 at 6:36 pm

Oh my gosh, @CNBono17! That's literally the funniest thing I've heard all day (and so true too!). I need to look into this movie. 

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Teagan_JosephsonThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 18, 2016 at 9:03 pm

I to have inquried on the subject of death and have even wrote my own essay on it  ( this essay is on my profile I simply copy and pasted)
 
We often have one schedule for a day, one way of doing something, until finally the schedule is ruined shattered, gone. Death, the one inevitable trait of everything consumes it as one of its own. And yet we still weep, as if this characteristic of life is something new, strange and foreign. We mourn not only because we lost a loved, but we fear the same will happen to us we cannot grasp the idea of being dead, Most fear the day when all memory is lost, all thoughts and feelings vanished once again claimed by death. But some don’t, those that don’t are the ones that feel that life has carried them to long and far, and death would be relief from the hardships of society and humanity. These people are the only true people that can fathom and discern the title of death.

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