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savetheplanet replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm

LandOfDarkness:

 

I'm confused as to why you bothered asking for opinions in the first place if you're just going to ignore everything we say and say, "I'm not changing."  Anyway, it is of my opinion that the only reason people react with disgust to g.ay relationships is because they don't understand them.  There's a difference between being g.ay and just being curious as you were LandOfDarkness.  Being g.ay is a state of being that never changes, it's not like a piece of clothing that you just put on for a day.  You don't choose who you're attracted to, when have you ever just walked down a hallway and said, "I'm in love with that person right this instant!"  You can supress it sure, and pretend that you're straight to please everyone around you, doesn't make you straight.  I've heard first hand the kinds of emotions that accompany g.ay relationships and I know that it sure as h.ell isn't being curious.

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Breece6 replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm

Anima:

 

Those people are going against the Bible and are sinning, so don't listen to people who "hate g.ay people" or "hate what they do".

 

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HannibalTheGreat replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 3:16 pm

Just something to think about: The bible was written a very long time ago. The earliest bits were written nearly 3500 years ago. So therefore, the people that wrote that had the mindset of people who lived a long time ago, and they wrote it to people who lived that long ago. They would not have been able to write something that would be meant for people in this day and age. I'm not Christan, but I have talked to people who are about this, and they believe that the Bible should be interpreted LOOSELY. Not every word should be taken literaly, like so many people seem to do. I just would like people to keep that in mind while discussing this stuff. Because, who knows? If there was a new bible or some sort of revelation from god now, maybe it wouldn't be anti-g,ay. The "word of god" (or whatever you call it) may be a great and holy thing that if I could hear I would immeadiatly convert, but guess what? I can't hear it. The bible and just about every other religious text on the face of the earth was written by humans. And therefore, the "word of god" isn't spoken directly from god's mouth. It is passed down to humans, and, however truely they try to write it down, it's going to be distorted from it's origional form. Because, in the Christan religion, humans aren't perfect. So therefore, whatever passes from god to them will be put down in a less-than-perfect way. That's at least the way I take that aspect of belief. It's another thing I don't agree with about Christianity, but oh well. Just want you all to think about it. Sorry if I was too strong . . .

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HannibalTheGreat replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 3:16 pm

Just something to think about: The bible was written a very long time ago. The earliest bits were written nearly 3500 years ago. So therefore, the people that wrote that had the mindset of people who lived a long time ago, and they wrote it to people who lived that long ago. They would not have been able to write something that would be meant for people in this day and age. I'm not Christan, but I have talked to people who are about this, and they believe that the Bible should be interpreted LOOSELY. Not every word should be taken literaly, like so many people seem to do. I just would like people to keep that in mind while discussing this stuff. Because, who knows? If there was a new bible or some sort of revelation from god now, maybe it wouldn't be anti-g,ay. The "word of god" (or whatever you call it) may be a great and holy thing that if I could hear I would immeadiatly convert, but guess what? I can't hear it. The bible and just about every other religious text on the face of the earth was written by humans. And therefore, the "word of god" isn't spoken directly from god's mouth. It is passed down to humans, and, however truely they try to write it down, it's going to be distorted from it's origional form. Because, in the Christan religion, humans aren't perfect. So therefore, whatever passes from god to them will be put down in a less-than-perfect way. That's at least the way I take that aspect of belief. It's another thing I don't agree with about Christianity, but oh well. Just want you all to think about it. Sorry if I was too strong . . .

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CollinF replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 6:38 pm

to AnimalCordis:

Just gonna make two super-quick points here, then I'll head out. I've had this debate far too many times to lose homework time over it again.

1. The Bible (in its Hebrew form) doesn't actually say that rabbits chew cud. http ://www .tektonics. org/af/cudchewers. html

2. "You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks."




- Jesus

That's our model for morality. Obviously, He wasn't a timid little wimp. Perfection entails tellin' it like it is ("Noah, the world sucks right now") as well as doing so in a loving manner whenever possible ("But the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control"). So, Christians should love h.omosexuals, but they should by no means accept their behaviour as morally sound.

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CollinF replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 6:39 pm

to AnimalCordis:

 

Just gonna make two super-quick points here, then I'll head out. I've had this debate far too many times to lose homework time over it again.

 

1. The Bible (in its Hebrew form) doesn't actually say that rabbits chew cud. ht tp ://w ww .tektonics. o rg/af/cudchewers. ht ml 

 

2. "You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks."

 

                 - Jesus

 

That's our model for morality. Obviously, He wasn't a timid little wimp. Perfection entails tellin' it like it is ("Noah, the world s.ucks right now") as well as doing so in a loving manner whenever possible ("But the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control"). So, Christians should love h.omosexuals, but they should by no means accept their behaviour as morally sound.  

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Estelle18 replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 6:57 pm

hahahahah im watching "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry"  and it just made me laugh when I saw this post haha....I agree :)  

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Estelle18 replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 6:59 pm

I am not hating them...just saying it is wrong. 

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Estelle18 replied...
Apr. 15, 2012 at 7:00 pm

I have two friends who are gay...I dont agree with their decision, because it is their dedcision btw!! they were not born that way!!! I dont hate them though.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 16, 2012 at 5:37 pm

Hannibal- Mormons (like me) believe in modern revelation, that God speaks his will to us today. Homos.exuality was wrong 3500 years ago and it's still wrong now.

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LandOfDarkness replied...
Apr. 17, 2012 at 9:42 am

Thank you, ImagineDangerous! It is wrong, and I don't know why people think it's okay.

Here's where I stand:

Criticizing: If a g... ay/bi get criticized, they brought it on themselves. Everyone knows it's wrong. Some people just want to be different and rebellious. We have to have some rules. People thinking they can do whatever they want is how we got into this little mess we're in.

Feelings: Sure, ho. mo feelings can be hard to shake off, but so are so many other things people just forget about anyway. I understand the feeling. But it shouldn't feel right to be g.. ay- when I felt like I wanted to like girls, I kept thinking, "Oh man, this isn't right. My parents will be so mad if they find out." I always just had a weird feeling about it, but I wanted to love my friends all the same. I was eventually able to get rid of those feelings, and now I only like guys.

None of others' business: It is other peoples' business if they are forced to watch. Do they ever consider how people who don't want to see them doing that feel?

Religious perspective: I love everyone, because God tells me to. I don't hate g. ays, I'm just pointing out that the Bible clearly states that it is a sin.

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HannibalTheGreat replied...
Apr. 19, 2012 at 7:18 pm

Darkness, your comment didn't post . . .

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LandOfDarkness replied...
Apr. 20, 2012 at 8:03 pm

I know... why does it do that?

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Archy replied...
Apr. 20, 2012 at 8:32 pm

What about from a marriage standpoint. Should it be legal for same sex marriage? Because my POV is that it should be a basic right that isnt disputed.

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Archy replied...
Apr. 20, 2012 at 8:35 pm

What about Same gender marriages. Is that goood or bad?. Should it be legal or stay illegal. On a state level, not a church level.

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LandOfDarkness replied...
Apr. 21, 2012 at 1:06 pm

I think some of you may have misinterpreted my words, so I'll clarify what I was trying to say. Criticizing: Yes, I really don't like it when people get bashed or criticized, but g&y is a different story, because they CAN help it. If g&ys get criticized, they brought it on themselves. Everyone knows it's wrong. Feelings: I know g&y feelings can be hard to shake off, but so are many other feelings that people overcome. It should feel very wrong to be g&y. When I was experiencing g&y feelings, I loved it at first. But in the back of my mind, I was thinking, "Oh man, this isn't right. If Mom and Dad ever find out about this, they'll be so mad at me". I kept those feelings under control and I never even told anyone about them. It all just felt like a sick secret, because it was. Now I like guys and only guys. I got rid of that completely. It just isn't natural. Others: If somebody is g&y and PDA-ing with their boyfriend/girlfriend and another person is forced to watch, then it is their business. Do g&ys ever consider how people on the other end feel? Plus, same gender marriages have never been allowed, so why are they legalizing it now? Religion: God does indeed tell us to love everyone. I'm not saying I hate g&ys at all, no, I love them. The Bible clearly states that it is a sin, and I don't want them to get all lost in the same gender love thing and have to suffer for it. H.......ality is something man began, not God. We can't keep going in the direction man put us in, that's how we got into this whole mess we're in. We have to follow God.

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dolphinportkey7 replied...
Apr. 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm

LandoD: Let's take this one sentence/point at a time.   "I don't like it when people get bashed or criticized, but g.a.y. is a different story, because they CAN help it. If g.a.y.s get criticized, they brought it on themselves."   Well, then, that's like saying "n.e.r.d.s." deserve to get teased because they read and play video games and study, and they could totally choose not to do those things. And so should overweight people, because they could work out.   Of course, none of that is true.  Nobody brings bashing on themselves. It is never the victim's fault; it's the oppressors who are to blame.   "Feelings: I know g.a.y feelings can be hard to shake off...It should feel very wrong to feel g.a.y...It felt like a sick secret, because that's what it was...I got rid of that completely..."   What you are asking people to do is repression. Now, some people, as you say you have, really do just go through "phases" or feel "curious." I believe that. But, for far more, when they feel attraction to somebody of the same s.e.x, they are discovering that they have feelings for someone- true, romantic feelings, the same way you'd have them for a guy. Their whole lives, people they know and the media has been telling them, consciously or not, that men and women go together, that boys and girls are supposed to grow up, get married with one bride, one groom, etc. Now, suddenly, they're finding that's not what they want, it's not who they are.   They've discovered something about themselves, just like you might discover you love to swim or play a musical instrument. Asking them not to act on those feelings would be like asking you not to act on yours- sure, you could live life without romantic relationships, many people do. But if it's something you want, it'd be a horrible thing to ask of you. Nobody should have to repress love that they feel for someone of the same age (roughly)/someone else of legal age.:)   "If somebody is g.a.y and PDA-ing with their boyfriend/girlfriend and another person is forced to watch, then it is their business. Do g.a.ys ever consider how people on the other end feel?"   I, too, have had to experience awkward P.D.A displays in my school on occassion. But nobody forces anyone to watch. Just get yourself out of the area. G.a.y. or straight, it's always awkward when some couple starts crawling over each other in public. We just look away, talk to somebody nearby, or pass by/keep on walking.   But, I don't think seeing PDA makes it my business. Y'know, several cultures (and by extension, people who have come to America from those places and their children) think dating is wrong/inappropriate in highschool. If I belonged to such a culture and saw two people, regardless of gender, making out, would it give me the right to try and stop people from making out/dating, just b/c I believed it wrong?   "Same gender marriages have never been allowed, so why are they legalizing it now?"   If we stuck to the same social customs we've been living for the past thousand years, women would not be allowed to work and be expected to do nothing but cook, clean, and bear children; people of different ethnicities/races would not be allowed to marry; etc. I think, in general, society is improving, bit by bit; just because we did something in the past (or didn't do something) doesn't make it right.

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Breece6 replied...
Apr. 21, 2012 at 7:28 pm

LandofDarkness:

 

Whether it's wrong or not is debatable, but you can't assume that everybody else feels the same as you.  That's illogical, you don't have a large enough sample size of information, for all you know g.ay people could be experiencing the most sincere love with no regret or doubt at all.  

 

Whether you should force your religious beliefs on others via a government is not debatable, it is wrong and America is not the kind of country that it should be allowed in.  

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Archy replied...
Apr. 21, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Same gender marriages, should be a basic right like regualr marriage. It shouldnt be constitutional or a law. Nothing is wrong about having same gender relationships. I cant speak for ga.ys or Bi's because I have a girlfriend. But still. 

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M_IML replied...
Apr. 22, 2012 at 10:43 am

Sorry, the government allows homosexual and bisexual people now? What exactly do you mean by allows? Sexual orientation isn't something you can outlaw: a ridiculous modern government could outlaw gay marriage, PDA, or being publicly gay, but illegalizing being gay is like illegalizing being smart, or ugly, or having blond hair.

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