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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2016 at 4:12 pm

Admin:
Why exactly do you find the term "hom.ose.xual" offensive? It's simply calling g.ay relationships what they are - same s.ex. The term "g.ay" really has no meaning; it's a euphemism, if you will. (As a poet, I greatly lament the loss of the word "g.ay" to the hom.ose.xual movement. It was such a pretty word! So perfect for expressing a certain light, merry joy! No other word can convey just what the traditional use of the word "g.ay" can. And....it's been....ruined...*dramatic sniff*)
 

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Apr. 9, 2016 at 5:38 pm

Just because it did and does occur in most every civilization does not necessarily make it inherently superior. War and death have both been involved in every civilization; that doesn't make them good or right, not by a long shot.

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ScarletCityThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2016 at 7:30 pm

Actually, you can pray in school. The school cannot make you pray, but they cannot make you stop. If they did, that would be discrimtory against religion. That would be against the constitution. 

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2016 at 7:46 pm

Thanks for the clarification Admin. I'll try to only use it where necessary for descriptor purposes and make sure I'm being accurate.
 
Lucy-Agnes
 
"The term "g.ay" really has no meaning; it's a euphemism"
 
1) Euphamisms have meanings
 
2) G.ay is a word which has been used so frequently and consistently to mean same-se.x attracted, so that's what it means. This is how language evolves.
 
3) I think part of Admin's point here is if you mean same se.x attracted, you should say that. Same se.x attracted covers all groups, not just those who are homose.xual.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2016 at 9:44 pm

Jubilex:
1) Good point. Let's edit my statement so it reads this way: "The term g.ay really has no meaning. It's also a euphemism." If you think about it, euphemisms are usually used for something which is unpleasant. It struck me that wanting to be called "g.ay" (a code name) instead of "hom.ose.xual" is an indirect admission that hom.ose.xuality is something to be ashamed of. (And again, I don't have anything against g.ay people. You can't help feeling g.ay if you really are g.ay. But you can control your actions, because you are a person with dignity and self-control and courage.)
2) True. See my point above. Why was "g.ay" ever used in place of "hom.ose.xual"?
3) All these terms. If we just accepted the fact that s.ex is meant to be between one man and one woman and fostered a culture of purity, we wouldn't need all this confusion.

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stuntddude replied...
Apr. 10, 2016 at 4:21 am

"As a poet, I greatly lament the loss of the word "g.ay" to the hom.ose.xual movement. It was such a pretty word! So perfect for expressing a certain light, merry joy! No other word can convey just what the traditional use of the word "g.ay" can."
 
You have a knack for finding the most trivial, petty things to be passive-agressively mad at. My only intent here is to highlight how inconsequential and disingenuous this complaint is, so don't take this as a personal attack against you as a writer, but with how many English words there are specifically for describing the nuances of happiness, if someone can't find words to adequately replace that traditional meaning, they've failed as a poet. I don't believe for a second that a relatively uncommon word being repurposed is something you care deeply about, or care at all about beyond how it's convenient for venting your homophobic frustrations.
 
""g.ay" (a code name)"
 
lmao, "gay" is not a code name.
 
"It struck me that wanting to be called "g.ay" instead of "hom.ose.xual" is an indirect admission that hom.ose.xuality is something to be ashamed of."
 
Does it also strike you that not wanting to be called a nigger is an indirect admission that being black is something to be ashamed of?

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 10, 2016 at 8:53 am

Lucy-Agnes
 
"If you think about it, euphemisms are usually used for something which is unpleasant."
 
Or perceived as unpleasant. Or has unpleasant connotations.
 
"It struck me that wanting to be called "g.ay" (a code name) instead of "hom.ose.xual" is an indirect admission that hom.ose.xuality is something to be ashamed of."
 
stunt already pointed out why this concept is flawed. People don't use the word re.tard or nig.ger anymore because those terms were used to belittle and oppress. Not because the people who they were used against had something to be ashamed of.
 
"Why was "g.ay" ever used in place of "hom.ose.xual"?"
 
This is an interesting historical question. If I recall correctly (and I may not), the word homose.xual used to be very medicalised. Ga.y people weren't particuarly fond of the idea of being spoken about like they were mentally ill.
 
"If we just accepted the fact that s.ex is meant to be between one man and one woman ... we wouldn't need all this confusion."
 
I could use this same logic with anything I find confronting or confusing. But I don't think it's productive to attempt or want to suppress a field of language based on my own perceptions.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 10, 2016 at 8:56 am

Also to futher on the "all these terms" comment. I'm proposing that if you mean same se.x attracted, then you use that phrase. It's not a new term. If anything, it's more descriptive and makes less assumptions than ga.y, and is more inclusive than homose.xual. It's literally a win/win.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 11, 2016 at 1:20 pm

stuntddude:
Maybe my sorrow over the loss of the word "g.ay" is trivial - that's the reason I put it in parentheses. :) Maybe it's not that I'm trying to find something to argue about so much that I actually care about little things like that. You're free to disbelieve me, but when I say that I mourn the loss of a truly beautiful word, I mean it.
 
If anyone's using the word "hom.ose.xual" the way people use the n-word, then I agree whole-heartedly that the word "hom.ose.xual" should not be used, either. I never implied through the use of the word "hom.ose.xual" that g.ay people have less human dignity than straight people. It's because of their human dignity that I oppose hom.ose.xuality.
 

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Admin. replied...
Apr. 11, 2016 at 2:14 pm

I literally gave a link to a page that explained that THE WORD IS USED OFFENSIVELY. The word has been used offensively to imply that there is something clinically wrong with ga.y people. 
 
So there are bad connotations.
 
"Ga.y," on the other hand, has a great connotation- happy! Of course, straight people insist on using it as an insult, so if you're upset at the loss of the word, please go complain to them. Please do that.

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stuntddude replied...
Apr. 11, 2016 at 5:53 pm

"Maybe it's not that I'm trying to find something to argue about so much that I actually care about little things like that."
 
You're upset that the English language changes over time. Regardless of how insignificant the change is, the fact that you're upset at all doesn't make sense, and in this case has more to do with disliking the idea of "losing" something to the "homosexual movement". It's just another small way to scapegoat a group of people you don't like.
 
"If anyone's using the word "hom.ose.xual" the way people use the n-word"
 
It doesn't matter whether "homosexual" is a slur or not, the standard you set applies either way. Caring what people call you doesn't imply being ashamed of what you are.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 11, 2016 at 8:38 pm

I'm upset because a perfectly beautiful word is now being used to describe something low and perverted. Would you like it if a word you loved was suddenly being used to describe a certain sort of immoral behavior?
 
I'm willing to give up on the term debate. In the whole scheme of things, it's a petty thing to argue about. The main point is that hom.ose.xuality is wrong.

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Mckay replied...
Apr. 12, 2016 at 11:25 pm

I'm upset because a perfectly beautiful word is now being used to describe something low and perverted. Would you like it if a word you loved was suddenly being used to describe a certain sort of immoral behavior? 
 
I'm curious to know what word could be used turned into describing "immoral behavior". 
 
Either way, the word g.ay still means happy (yadda yadda yadda). It hasn't lost its meaning, if that's what you think. That being said, it's also used as a collective name for people who like the same gender. Personally, I don't think there should be a name that defines people based on their orientation. Just like your skin tone, your orientation should be irrelevant and not what defines you as a person. 

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MorganRF replied...
Apr. 13, 2016 at 1:14 pm

Amen, Mckay!!

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GalaxyOfWords replied...
Apr. 7 at 11:58 am

I would just like to point out that Homosexuality is found in almost every species. "Homophobia" is found in only one. I wonder why....

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Apr. 7 at 8:34 pm

Because humans have advanced intellectual capabilities and have therefore created social constructs, ideas, abilities, and opinions that are not possible in other species. Other species do not have a sense of religion, gender, or morality.

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SparaxisThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 23 at 6:48 pm

I know, Right?
Here's one thing I think I am starting to see: we keep the bad ideas around (such as same gender marriage) and get rid of the good ideas (paying men and women the same amount). ):

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May 23 at 7:32 pm

1. What's so bad about same s.ex marriage? I still... really don't get it. 2. The wage gap is pretty much discredited.

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Consalvator replied...
Jun. 9 at 12:10 pm

...Why are so many people blatantly homophobic on this forum? Like seriously, mind your own d.amn business about other people's lifestyles....

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SparaxisThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 27 at 6:09 pm

To put this delicately, it is not necessarily a good idea, but it is not an excuse to trash someone's house (I'm saying that since I don't support persecution of the LGBT community).

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