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LandOfDarkness replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 9:27 am

Well, I'm sorry, but no one wants to see guys laying with guys and girls making out with girls. I'm all about the to each their own thing, but there should be at least some limit at some degree. I don't know why the h town they're legalizing being g...ay in the first place, that's sick and twisted. Tell me one reason why being g...ay is right, and then we'll talk.

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LandOfDarkness replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 9:29 am

Oh, it's alright, Random. I wasn't talking to you, sorry.

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Apr. 12, 2012 at 9:30 am

Just asking... you say no one wants to see girls with girls and boys with boys, but do people really want to see anyone making out in public?

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Breece6 replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 10:28 am

LandofDarkness:

 

That is a completely subjective opinion.

 

YOU might not want to see or participate in g.ay relationships, but that doesn't mean that NOBODY does.  

 

Also, they're not legalizing BEING G.AY, they're legalizing MARRIAGE.  You definitely don't have the right to tell someone not to BE g.ay, because that doesn't affect you directly and quite frankly, it's none of your business.

 

As for reasons being g.ay could be considered right, it's for all the same reasons being straight could be considered right: love being physically expressed and enjoyed between two people.  

 

You see, even if we accept the fact that God has forbidden it which makes it wrong, you can't sum up g.ay relationships into just that.  It's hypocrisy to not admit that there are beautiful things about g.ay relationships, love for one.  

 

I don't know you as a person and can't judge you, but as for your statement itself, about being sick and twisted, reeks of bigotry and not considering the feelings of others.  

 

And no, there shouldn't be a limit to religious oppression, it shouldn't happen at all if it can be helped.

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dolphinportkey7 replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 11:43 am

Land: Because it's love. Love doesn't know race, religion, social status, or gender. It just is. Breece did a pretty good job saying everything I'd like to say. :)

 

Same-se.x. relationships can involve first dates, shy hand-holding, tentative first kisses, passionate nights, lifelong committments (marriage or not), starting families, and all the other good things in straight relationships, just as they can involve all the bad things (fights, break-ups, unrequited love, etc.)

 

G.a.y. people, b.i. people, and everyone else who isn't straight aren't any better or worse than straight people. They're just people, normal human beings like anyone else, who deserve a chance at  romance just like anyone else.

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AnimaCordis replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 11:55 am

I totally agree with dolphin and breece. I see g.ay relationships all the time, and I also see straight relationships all the time. They both irritate me because I find that level of public display attraction awkward. I'll point out though, the g.ay relations are much less 'in your face' than the straight ones. I've never seen a g.ay relationship on the buss or on the street; and I see straight relationships in both those places all the time. It's a free country though, and there's far worse things people do in pulbic. 

Love is love. Regardless of what a person is, it's about their personality. People shouldn't be judged baced on their apperance and s.ex. 

Bear in mind that many people used to be against bi racial partnerships, and now most people are fine with it. I think that the g.ay issue is our generation's race issue. 

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Apr. 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm

I just want to say that I don't exactly agree with all of you. We have to be loving, sure, but we also have to realize that it's a sin. I think saying that 'Love is love', is taking it a little to far. I know that resisting g.ay feelings is hard, but so is breaking drug addictions and suppressing su.ic.i.dal thoughts.

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dolphinportkey7 replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 1:51 pm

But why is it a sin? I'm sorry, but "God says so" just isn't good enough for me.

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AnimaCordis replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Please do not compare being g.ay with a drug addiction or supressing su.ici.dal thoughts. That's quite offensive, and personally I don't see how they're similar.  I know people who are g.ay, and are in wonderful stalbe relationships. I'm sure if you saw them, you would't say them being together is a sin. 

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WareHitoriaruki replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm

LandO'Darkness:  Sure, I don't want to see guys laying with guys and, well... say what you will about two girls making out but *ahem* moving on.

 

Legalizing being g4y?  Should it be a crime?  Darkness, if an action doesn't hurt anyone other than the participants, that action should not be illegal.  Victimless crimes are NOT crimes! If two consenting adults both agree too a partnership, then we have absolutely no right to stop them.  You are not the moral guardian, you have no right to tell two consenting adults what they can and can't do.  It's that simple.

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WareHitoriaruki replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm

LandO'Darkness:  Sure, I don't want to see guys laying with guys and, well... say what you will about two girls making out but *ahem* moving on.

 

Legalizing being g4y?  Should it be a crime?  Darkness, if an action doesn't hurt anyone other than the participants, that action should not be illegal.  Victimless crimes are NOT crimes! If two consenting adults both agree too a partnership, then we have absolutely no right to stop them.  You are not the moral guardian, you have no right to tell two consenting adults what they can and can't do.  It's that simple.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:04 pm

I concur with Random's comment at the top of the page. I don't care if you're g.ay, straight, male, or female, I don't want to see you making out in public.

 

Also, do you take offense at Random's comparisons, or with Random's position that homose.xual activity is wrong? It's very difficult to prove a point without making any comparisons at all, and while the comparisons don't have to be perfect (homos.exuality doesn't involve smoking anything and dru.gs don't have to involve being with another person), they do have to have the important points. In this case, the important points are that a) all the things she named are choices, b) even though 'a' is true, all those choices can be very difficult to resist, and c) all of them are sins even if they're not illegal. I think in that light it's a valid comparison, and the only reason that it would be offensive is that you resent her using the comparison to call homose.xuality wrong. (Having hurt feelings just from someone stating their opinion is going to make coherently debating anything tough.) Be careful that you distinguish between techniques and the actual viewpoint. If the comparison isn't valid, prove it. If you're just upset that she disagrees, leave it alone. 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm

(I realized I forgot to say who I'm talking to- the last half of that comment was directed at Anima.)

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An-eloquent-leaf replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm

I found the following list a while ago, and although it's done tongue in cheek, it's quite relevant:


"01) Being ga.y is not natural.
♥ And real Americans always reject unnatural things like polyester, and air conditioning, tattoos, piercings

02) G.ay marriage will encourage people to be ga.y,
♥in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing g.ay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior.
♥People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all;
♥Hence why women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if ga.y marriage were allowed;
♥And we can't let the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children.
♥So therefore, g.ay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our population isn't out of control, our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously g.ay parents will raise gay children,
♥Since of course straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Ga.y marriage is not supported by religion.
♥In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home.
♥ Which is exactly why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) G.ay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms.
♥Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans."


Altogether, even though I'm still not sure of my personal opinion on whether hømøsėxüālítÿ is "bad" or not, I am firm in my belief that people should not impose their beliefs on others.

When the line concerning hømøsėxüālítÿ is so fuzzy (as opposed to, say, murder) and people's opinions almost always, I've found, are based on their religion, then I think there shouldn't be laws making it illegal. After all, like #8 mentioned, America is not a theocracy.

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An-eloquent-leaf replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm

I found the following list a while ago, and although it's done tongue in cheek, it's quite relevant:


"01) Being ga.y is not natural.
♥ And real Americans always reject unnatural things like polyester, and air conditioning, tattoos, piercings

02) G.ay marriage will encourage people to be ga.y,
♥in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing g.ay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior.
♥People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all;
♥Hence why women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if ga.y marriage were allowed;
♥And we can't let the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children.
♥So therefore, g.ay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our population isn't out of control, our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously g.ay parents will raise ga.y children,
♥Since of course straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Ga.y marriage is not supported by religion.
♥In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home.
♥ Which is exactly why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) G.ay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms.
♥Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans."


Altogether, even though I'm still not sure of my personal opinion on whether hømøsėxüālítÿ is "bad" or not, I am firm in my belief that people should not impose their beliefs on others.

When the line concerning hømøsėxüālítÿ is so fuzzy (as opposed to, say, murder) and people's opinions almost always, I've found, are based on their religion, then I think there shouldn't be laws making it illegal. After all, like #8 mentioned, America is not a theocracy.

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Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm

Dolphin- I don't know why it's a sin. But here's a story that makes you think; 

 

In Joseph Smith's time, (he's the founder of our church,) it was thought that chewing tobaco and smoking was good for your health. The members of the church would chew and spit tobaco during meetings. Emma Smith (his wife,) asked him if this was appropriate. Joseph prayed about it and Go.d answered that the members of the church should not partake of these things. Joseph didn't know why, but he obayed, as did everyone who followed him. A couple hundred years later, it was discovered that, surprise surprise, tobaco and smoking are hazardous. 

 

So, the moral of the story is; Go.d knows more than you do, so trust Him.

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wicked-souls replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm

It confuses me completely how the Bible tells to love one another, yet people people forget that when it comes to someone with a different sexuality. So claim homosexuality is wrong because it is against Jesus, yet you yourself are overlooking the part that states to love each and every human being.  Using that logic, we can over look every part of the Bible so we can critize somebody for doing something you don't agree with?

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Breece6 replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 6:07 pm

Wicked-souls:

 

Love and s.ex aren't the same thing.  You can love somebody fine without having s.ex with them, however I still think it's wrong to mistreat h.omosexuals or make h.omosexuality illegal.  

 

I was just pointing out the flaw in your logic :)

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wicked-souls replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Another point I'd like to bring up is that people believe legalizing gay marriage will tarnish the reputation of marriage, however, how do we allow people such as Kim Kardashian to marry somebody for 72 days (I believe?) when there are are same sex couples out there who truely love eachother who long to get married, but can't because society believes they are wrong and shouldn't be that way. Not only is that discrimination but that is instilling the inaccurate assumtion in today's youth that those who are homosexual are "weird" or "aren't right" or even "unholy". Weird how homosexuals are punished for loving, while homophobes are supported for hating.

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Breece6 replied...
Apr. 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm

Random/Imagine:

 

So, I do accept the concept of not doing something because God forbids it, however...

 

I'm not Mormon, so I have to refer to the Bible for such information.

 

And as for the Bible, the only place I can find that's not part of Mosaic Law that forbids h.omosexuality is when Paul briefly mentions it a few times.  

 

And from what I can tell after having done some research, there are many different interpretations and translations for the context and words in which he did condemn it, and they can be interpreted as many different things.

 

If you two or any other Christians want to check out one (albeit very biased) source I found, I suggest checking out a website I found called whosever.org.  

 

I'm not sure if I agree with the website, but I thought the arguments certainly called it into question from a protestant Christian's point of view.

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