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Another one...questions about God/Christianity? Feel free to ask!

AndreaRenee__ posted this thread...
Jan. 19 at 10:52 am

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Jan. 19 at 3:50 pm

What do you think of the paradox of both omniscience and omnipotence? Concerning omniscience, a being is all-knowing but cannot possibly know if there is something they do not know. Concerning omnipotence, if you asked an omnipotent being to create something too heavy for them to lift, then either they cannot create it and therefore are not omnipotent, or they can create it but cannot lift it, and therefore are not omnipotent.
 
It's interesting, really.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 2 at 6:40 pm

Omniscience isn't really a paradox, is it? God knows all things, including the fact that there is nothing He does not know. As for the rock one...I'm no theologian, but I would repeat what my history/lit teacher said once: it's a funny thing for us to think about, but there are some things that God can't do, such as sin. That doesn't mean He's not omnipotent, though. I guess...there are certain things we can't wrap our heads around. :)

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Feb. 2 at 7:50 pm

But if you claim to know everything, and cannot think of a single thing you don't know, then how do you actually know if there's something you don't know? So you think you know everything... but you don't know if there's something you don't know. It's a weird concept, certainly.
 
As for sin, I've always heard it as "God cannot go against His own nature", that being benevolence (which I've also heard people argue). Omnipotence is part of His nature.
 
I'm not sure. It's just a funny thing that someone brought up to me, and I wanted to know what people thought.

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FunneThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 2 at 8:31 pm

I'm a little confused about that though. Does this mean that it is physically impossible for god to sin? If so, then how?
 
OR:
Does this mean that God is not emotionally capable of sinning?
If so, how does this affect the rock paradox?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 3 at 8:42 pm

Well....as Wolves said, God can't contradict His own nature. To sin isn't really "doing" something, if you will--it's a perversion of something good, a corruption of your nature. St. Augustine talked about that a lot. 
 
It's kind of hard to put into words what I think about this. I can feel that there's something off in those paradoxes and am sure there's a theological explanation somewhere, but I'm not capable of putting it together myself.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 3 at 8:46 pm

There's an interesting, down-to-earth explanation of the rock paradox at www. godandscience. org /apologetics /rock. htm 

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Feb. 4 at 4:47 pm

I copied and pasted the link, but I got a 404 error.
 
Just asking, how is sinning not really doing something? Lying is a sin, and also an action; same with murder, theft, and others. I've also seen the argument that God is capable of sinning, but wills Himself not to. What's that about?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 5 at 8:15 pm

Well, sin is doing something, but it's something that tears you down rather than builds you up, if you will. It's a weakness, not a power. So being able to sin isn't a display of strength, but a lack of strength.

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Feb. 6 at 7:31 pm

But even if it isn't a show of strength, then it should still be possible, right? Like it isn't a show of strength for me to lie, but I'm still able to do it. I don't know, it's just confusing to me- I've heard a ton of stuff like this. God can sin but doesn't, God cannot go against His own nature and cannot sin as a result- I've never figured out where either claim comes from or how 'true' they are.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 8 at 8:00 pm

It's confusing to me, too, to be honest. :) But it makes sense to me that God can't go against His own nature. That's the position, I believe, that St. Thomas Aquinas puts forth in his Summa Theologica... The article I tried to give you a link to would argue that omniscience doesn't mean being able to do everything, but being able to do anything you set your mind to. And God would never set his mind to do something bad. (Did you try taking out the spaces in that link? I put them there to avoid the filter.)

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Feb. 8 at 9:12 pm

Yes, I took the spaces out.
 
Omniscience is not the ability to do anything; rather, it's the ability to know everything. Did you mean omnipotence?
 
"But it makes sense to me that God can't go against His own nature."
Then if he can't go against His own nature, doesn't that make him not omnipotent?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 9 at 11:24 am

Oh, yeah, I did mean omnipotence. :P Haha, sorry. 
 
No, it doesn't make Him not omnipotent. Maybe...maybe He could go against His own nature, He just never would. Like, His will is so perfect that it would never incline Him to sin. If He wanted to sin He could, but He is not capable of wanting sin because He is all good. And that not being capable of wanting sin doesn't really apply to omnipotence because omnipotence has to do with power, whereas wanting to sin would be a weakness.
 
I don't know. I'm no theologian. :P I just know God's not being able to sin only makes him more powerful, more wonderful, more good

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Feb. 9 at 2:59 pm

All-powerful in this case means, "able to do anything"... even want to sin. I've seen a lot of arguments against omnibenevolence. Can anyone be certain that God is all-good?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 9 at 9:24 pm

Well....yes, I think we can be certain. He created us, and then when we turned around and spat in His face He came to die for us instead of wiping us off the face of the earth.

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Feb. 9 at 10:33 pm

What about in Exodus, when all the plagues came down on Egypt?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 14 at 7:59 pm

That was a just act; therefore, it was good. The very fact that God doesn't wipe all of us off the face of the earth as a punishment for our sins is an act of mercy. Even the ten plagues were an act of mercy, because they freed the J.ews from slavery which was part of the plan to save the undeserving human race. I've also often thought it was an act of mercy towards the Egyptians, because it was giving them a glimpse of Who the True God really was...most ancient peoples didn't have that, you know. 

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Feb. 15 at 7:47 am

Killing all the firstborns is an act of mercy? 
And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
So killing the firstborn of the Pharaoh- quite literally "sins of the father" type of vengeance- and killing a maid's child, and killing the firstborns of animals who have had absolutely no role in the entire affair, is mercy?

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 15 at 2:41 pm

I don't know. That was theological conjecture on my part. :) Even if it wasn't mercy, it was justice. Everyone deserves death; even the smallest sin is an infinite offense against God.
 
Slipping back into conjecture again...how do we know it wasn't merciful of God to take these people then and there? How do we know He didn't take them into His arms as His beloved children who never had a chance to know him? They were all going to die at some point anyway; life is always full of suffering; maybe it was better for them to die.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 15 at 2:42 pm

I just remembered a quote from C. S. Lewis' Til We Have Faces:
"Are not the gods just?"
"Oh, no, child. What would become of us if they were?"

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