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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 19, 2016 at 9:41 pm

"Did you ever consider that by telling people how to have s.ex safely, we're telling them it's okay to have s.ex?"
 
Sure. But I don't find that a morally problematic thing to do.
 
I get that for you it is. However, may I pose the question:
 
Which is more important to you, reducing abor.tion rates, or maintaing abs.tinence only se.x education?
 
In other words: do the ends justify the means? Like many philosophical questions, the answer depends. But here you're choosing between your own moral code and reducing the rates of what you deem to be murder.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 19, 2016 at 10:41 pm

Lucy
 
Just a few things I want to add to your response to wolves
 
"by making the u.terus a hostile environment"
 
I guess for someone who believes that the moment of con.ception is the line, then yeah, for you this would be abor.tion. The intraute.rine contra.ceptive devices work in this manner. The copper IU.D works purely in this way, to prevent imp.lantation of the ov.um into the wall of the ute.rus. The hormonal IU.D works both in this way AND by preventing fertil.isation
 
"use chemicals to burn a baby's skin off"
 
I've never heard anything about saline injection being used in Australia. The article then states through this method the foe.tus is delivered by the woman. Which implies induction of labour. Which is a means only (very rarely) used in Australia for terminations late in preg.nancy only when the mother is at significant medical risk, or if the foetus has a life-threatening abnormality
 
"tear a baby apart piece by piece (arm, leg, head)"
 
Dilation and evacuation. Only used in second trimester. Second trimester terminations are only approved if required for medical reasons (either the mother will be put at harm, or the foetus has an anatomical or chromosomal abnormality). Far fewer terminations occur at this point (about 8% of all, and less than 2% of those after 19 weeks, which is when anatomical abnormalities are more likely to be recognised). Understandably to you, any amount by any means is unacceptable, but I'm putting the shock value of your statements into perspective. These are by no means pleasant things to discuss, so I want everyone to be informed.
 
"sucking the baby out of the womb with a powerful vacuum-like tool"
 
One of the more common methods. Used in first trimester. Most performed before 12 weeks, occassionally done up to 14 weeks.
 
"delivering the baby part-way and then stabbing the baby's head and sucking out his brains"
 
The article clearly states that this method is illegal now.
 
"we're not telling the woman what to do with herself. We're telling her that she can't kill her own baby ... This isn't the woman we're talking about, it's the baby"
 
You're doing both. I don't think there's much point in denying that.

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stuntddude replied...
Nov. 20, 2016 at 1:08 am

"I know it probably feels like I'm targeting you cuz I'm not, you're just being unusally harsh with people."
 
This sentence makes no sense. You think I feel like you're targetting me... because you're not? Did I read that right? What are you trying to say here?
 
"If you know how to use a search engine too, then you should know the dark side of Plann.ed Par.ent.hood. Like how they are involved in s-x traffic.ing, or how they want to exterminate the black population, how those services they say they also provide hardly happen, how they purposely give birt.h control pills that ensure failure and make aborti.on more likely to be needed."
 
My ability to use a search engine and distinguish credible sources of information is precisely the reason why I don't believe every conspiracy theory I hear about Pl.anned Pa.renthood. To clarify for you, when I talk about knowing how to use a search engine, that includes knowing that not everything you read on the internet is true. A healthy dose of skepticism would take you a long way.
 
"The percentage of P.lanned P.arenthood services that are a.bortion-related is absolutely, positively, 100% besides the point."
 
If you care about human lives, it absolutely, positively, 100% is not.
 
"0.0001% would be unacceptable."
 
You have an incredibly warped sense of morality, then.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 22, 2016 at 1:01 pm

Which is more important to you, reducing abor.tion rates, or maintaining abs.tinence only se.x education?
 
Both. The two goals go hand in hand. Reducing a.bortion rates is the more urgent goal, as a million babies are lost to a.bortion every year in the U.S. But we can't really get rid of a.bortion until we get rid of the mindset behind a.bortion -- the idea that s.ex is primarily for pleasure, not for m.aking b.abies. 
 
Also, in case I haven't made this clear, I don't think a.bstinence only s.ex education is going to cut it when it comes to changing people's hearts and minds. We need much more than people in schools saying "if you don't want to deal with unp.lanned pr.egnancy, don't have s.ex." We need an entire culture shift. 
 
You bring up a really good question, though, one I've been asking myself lately. When faced with a culture as morally decrepit as ours is, at which end do you start to try to fix it? Do you start by pruning back the fruits of the s.exual r.evolution, working to outlaw a.bortion and other such evils? Or do you start by going to the root of the problem, changing people's hearts and minds one by one? I think we've got to focus on both. 

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 24, 2016 at 7:40 pm

I guess I expected that answer :P
 
And in terms of any social justicy thing (wow, great English there) I advocate for, I tend to push from multiple angles too.

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IamRogueThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 14 at 11:40 am

Can anyone say hello to conspiracy theorist.. 

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maxicat replied...
May 5 at 2:49 am

That quote perfectly describes our situation in america right now.

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maxicat replied...
May 5 at 2:58 am

And yet the republicans haven't exercised there large power at all. This is because trump has alienated most of the republican party wuth his outrageous claims.

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3e11A replied...
Nov. 1 at 12:39 pm

Ummmm ok well y'all need to stop dissing republicans Trump is way better than Hillary cuz last time I checked Trump totally didn't remove 33,000 emails and lie about it. He is also trying to get rid of a. bortion and thank God for that so just stop y'all are lookin really bad. Oh and last time I checked Republicans are elephants so we can basically squash donkeys.

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wolftera replied...
Nov. 13 at 3:12 pm

The world was spinning for me, it's still crazy to me to this day.

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Nov. 17 at 6:49 pm

Whether Trump is better than Hillary as president is a matter of opinion. Morally, they're both entirely bankrupt, and I think that's clear. Trump's no saint just because Hillary's morally depraved.
 
Getting rid of a.bortion is also a matter of opinion, and whether or not I agree with you is superfluous to the point that you've just said that people are looking bad for having an opinion.
 
Also... elephants can step on donkeys? I hope that's a joke and not an argument.

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