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Nov. 9, 2016 at 1:34 am

As it stands right now, Trump is more likely to win than Clinton.
 
I don't know. Thoughts, I guess?

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Nov. 9, 2016 at 6:36 am

Everybody say hello to your 45th president. Have a nice 4 years of your life.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 9, 2016 at 8:05 am

I have never been more disappointed in the US in my life

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CNBono17 replied...
Nov. 9, 2016 at 9:12 am

I was already disappointed in the US when the national conventions made their decisions. We can do SOOOOOOOO much better than ANY of those candidates...

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WordAddict replied...
Nov. 9, 2016 at 3:45 pm

Thanks to this election, the United States of America is literally the definition of irony. I just can't wait for the clock to turn back a hundred years! (sarcasm)

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stuntddude replied...
Nov. 10, 2016 at 6:47 pm

(splitting into multiple posts because teenink filters are garbage as always)
Sadly, we got the worst possible outcome. Republicans will control the house and the senate, Trump will be president despite Hillary winning the popular vote, and the supreme court will soon enough be under conservative majority control. Or in other words, there are no barriers to the current republican party doing absolutely whatever they want. Checks and balances go out the window, because all three branches of government are all under the control of the same few people, led by a notorious megalomaniac. That means, among other things:

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stuntddude replied...
Nov. 10, 2016 at 6:53 pm

- U.S. stock and the value of the US dollar plummeted literally overnight.
- Assuming Trump's tax plan or something like it is enacted (and with the party's absolute control, it will be), the deficit will grow and several trillion dollars will be added to the national debt, according to nearly all reputable economic analyses.
- Also predicted by a consensus of reputable analysis, the country will enter a major recession by 2018.

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stuntddude replied...
Nov. 10, 2016 at 6:53 pm

- Plan ned Pare nth ood, and the myriad of se. xu al health services it provides, will likely be defunded.
- Net neutrality will probably be trashed, making censorship of the internet much easier.
- The ACA will be repealed, causing millions to lose their health insurance.
- Climate change will continue to be ignored for at least another 4 years.
- The tipping of the balance of the supreme court, which will potentially last for decades, will likely result in overturning a number of important precedents - including U.S. v Windsor and Obergefell v Hodges (g.ay mar.riage) - and allowing the legislative and executive branch to act unconstitutionally with less oversight.
- Repealing the CPA (Dodd-Frank), thereby leaving the economy open to another housing market crash like the one in 2008 which launched us into the great recession.
- Voter suppression laws will be passed under the guise of preventing fraud (which is nearly non-existant in the U.S. already), meanwhile actual voting reform (provisions against gerrymandering, abolishing the electoral college, making voting more accessible, replacing FPTP with instant runoff, etc.) will not happen.
- Decreased funding for public universities will cause tuition to increase, making it harder for me and anyone else without a wealthy family to attend. It will also put my dad's job in jeopardy.
- One of my friends may see both of his parents out of a job because of slashes to public transportation funding as part of the republican platform in my state.
- Many, many terrible people will be emboldened by the fact that someone just like them was elected president.
To add insult to injury, some of the best candidates for senator and governor my state has seen in a long time were defeated by a complete as.sh.at and a complete nobody (who was thrust in as a surrogate of the gun lobby), and 4 of the 6 referenda went in the wrong direction. The first of them is a voter suppression amendment (worded to mislead on the ballot), the second is an amendment that limits individual campaign contributions while providing a loophole for businesses (also worded to mislead, go figure), the third prevents new special sales taxes (which will massively deincetivize legalizstion of mari.juana by making it unable to be taxed), and the fourth is yet another cigarette tax increase that failed to pass, leaving it the lowest in the country still.
Perhaps the only good thing to come from this whole sh!tshow is that increased public scrutiny and disapproval of the electoral college following Trump's loss of the popular vote may spark further adoption of the NPVIC and similar measures. Knowing the sad state of American politics, however, I don't really expect it to happen, even with the massive (75+%) public approval that we've had for the past 6 decades or so.

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ThrillQueen126This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 10, 2016 at 8:30 pm

THIS IS WHY OUR ELECTION SYSTEM IS THE WORST EVER. We have no need for the stupid electoral colleges anymore, and it sucks that the outcome didn't accurately reflect how people felt. I'm so worried about climate change... a lot can happen in four years. Even further, my state had a load of stupid initiatives, and all of them passed except the one that proposed a tax on carbon emissions, which actually seemed smart and would help the environment at least a little bit. This presidency won't affect me that much, since I'm a white, straight, customer, middle-class girl, but I have quite a few friends who it might impact, and I'm scared for them. The only good thing is that if there's a recession, which there probably will be, there's no way Trump will get re-elected.

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WordAddict replied...
Nov. 10, 2016 at 8:47 pm

And I quote, "Democracy is forever in need of rapid progress, and the only progress which can be rapid is progress downhill."

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 12, 2016 at 12:41 pm

Hooray for the potential defunding of Pl.anned P.arenthood! It's high time that horrendous institution which thrives on the deception of struggling women and the slaughtering of innocent babies was put out of business. There are so many other places women can get the help they need without turning to an institution that sells baby's body parts for profit. 

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RightWingExtremist replied...
Nov. 13, 2016 at 11:53 pm

Thank you Lucy-Agnes for putting that feeling into words

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RightWingExtremist replied...
Nov. 13, 2016 at 11:59 pm

So Trump will our 45th president, some are celebrating, some are protesting, but that doesn't change results. As Republicans do now control both houses of Congress, I can't be but hopeful for the country's future while Democrats feel nothing but dread, little bit of a reversed deja vu of 2008-2010 when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. And it looks nothing but even better for the Republicans come 2018 when there stands a chance of the Republicans gaining a 60% majority in each house, enough to actually be able what we want and (from the conservative perspective) undo the damage of the past 8 years.

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stuntddude replied...
Nov. 14, 2016 at 5:25 am

"Hooray for the potential defunding of Pl.anned P.arenthood!"
 
I'll just point you to the breakdown of the services Pl.anned Pa.renthood provides. You'll ignore it, of course, but you can't say I didn't try:
 
42% - STIs/STDs

34% - Contr.aception (you know, the stuff that prevents unwanted pre.gnancies and, by proxy, abor.tions)

11% - Other women's services

9% - Cancer screening

3% - Abor.tion related services

1% - Other services
 
Needless to say, I cannot possibly support, in good conscience, any attempts to defund Pl.anned Pa.renthood that are not inseparably tied to the simultaneous funding of other women's health services equivalent to or better than the other 97% of what Pl.anned Pa.renthood currently provides. Defunding Pl.anned Pa.renthood without simultaneously funding an adequate alternative would leave an immediate gap in the availability of women's health services in the U.S.
 
If you want to have a productive discussion about Pl.anned Pa.renthood, you need to get it out of your head that they're just some abor.tion clinic.
 
"an institution that sells baby's body parts for profit."
 
Pl.anned Pa.renthood does not sell babies' body parts for profit. If you know how to use a search engine, then there's no excuse for you to not already know this.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 14, 2016 at 6:34 am

Not entirely relevant to the dicussion at hand, but y'all back on the abor.tion discussion train and here I am just casually writing a termination of preg.nancy counselling question so my friends can practice because it might come up in our med practical exams.

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Nov. 14, 2016 at 9:50 am

@stuntdude
I know it probably feels like I'm targeting you cuz I'm not, you're just being unusally harsh with people. If you know how to use a search engine too, then you should know the dark side of Plann.ed Par.ent.hood. Like how they are involved in s-x traffic.ing, or how they want to exterminate the black population, how those services they say they also provide hardly happen, how they purposely give birt.h control pills that ensure failure and make aborti.on more likely to be needed. So they are not a crystal clean organization. Just saying. Cool down dude.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 14, 2016 at 5:50 pm

The percentage of P.lanned P.arenthood services that are a.bortion-related is absolutely, positively, 100% besides the point. To understand why I hold that position you have to understand that I believe a.bortion is murder. If a company is taking innocent lives, you don't excuse them by saying, "Oh, it's okay, that's only 3% of what they do." 0.0001% would be unacceptable.
 
While we're on the subject of search engines, have you seen the Youtube videos David Daleiden released last summer, Stunt?
 
And warriorwritergirl77, thank you so much for bringing up how P.lanned P.arenthood wants to exterminate the black population. Margarent Sanger was downright r.acist.  

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WordAddict replied...
Nov. 14, 2016 at 7:34 pm

Ab.orti.on is a choice. If you find yourself in the unstable situation that you are going to have a child at a young age, no one will force you to have an aborti.on. If a woman finds it murderous, she can choose not to have an ab.orti.on. I don't believe that P.lann.ed P.arent.hood forces women to have ab.orti.ons if they wish not to. Their prime purpose in life is not to force women to have ab.orti.ons. Women can choose aborti.on whether they go to P.lann.ed P.arent.hood, or not. They should not be defunded because of a choice that women make for themselves. This organization gives much aid to women who struggle to find the resources they need to take care of themselves. It would be a shame to take it away just because of the (chosen) 3%.
 
"If a company is taking innocent lives, you don't excuse them by saying . . . 0.0001% would be unacceptable."
 
More than one hundred million animals die yearly for companies' testing purposes. Because they are not human, are their lives any less innocent? Both scenarios are horrible—I personally would not opt for an ab.ort.ion if I had the choice. But the reality is that if we take either of these things away from people (ab.orti.on) and companies (testing), it will not make everything better. Until we can improve prevention methods, improve testing methods, these are the best options we have. Defunding the organization will not eliminate the problem. It's not as simple as black and white.

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Nov. 14, 2016 at 8:11 pm

Abor.tion is such a hard topic to discuss. On one hand, yes it is murder and kills tiny innocent lives but on the other hand, making it illegal will force women to seek it in other ways, dangerous ways in dangerous places. I agree that it is not black and white but man, is the gray area gray. As much as PP upsets me, I don't want to take away the choice for ab.ort.ion. But the topic really hits hard for me. If it wasn't for my aunt's anti-abor.tion beliefs, I wouldn't even be here today. I would of been just another murdered discarded fetus or whatever thrown away or given for research. It's just one of those debates that will never end. Like gun control. Never ending debates...

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 15, 2016 at 3:33 am

WordAddict
 
"Ab.orti.on is a choice. If you find yourself in the unstable situation that you are going to have a child at a young age, no one will force you to have an aborti.on"
 
Not strictly true. People can be coerced into terminations. Which is why it's standard practice to talk to the person requesting one alone initially in Australia, even if a partner or family member is there to support them.
 
This isn't necessarily against the point you're making, but it is an error.
 
warriorwritergirl
 
"how they purposely give bir.th control pills that ensure failure and make abor.tion more likely to be needed"
 
I can't think of any conceivable reason why they would do this. Of course, that doesn't make it untrue, but it doesn't pass my first screening test for judging how reliable information is: "is this claim likely?"
 
Do you have any sources supporting it? It's one of those things that screams conspiracy theory to me, so hopefully you can understand my scepticism.

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