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CNBono17 replied...
Mar. 29, 2016 at 8:39 pm

and before you say "you didn't give me context," this whole thread puts it in the context of abor.tion, and equating it to murder. 

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CNBono17 replied...
Mar. 29, 2016 at 8:40 pm

hate it when this happens...see the bottom of the last page

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stuntddude replied...
Mar. 29, 2016 at 9:04 pm

Pro tip: if you don't want your post to get split up across multiple pages, don't split it up into several consecutive posts.
 
"and before you say "you didn't give me context,""
 
Good thing I wasn't going to, and you know what they say about assuming.

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CNBono17 replied...
Mar. 29, 2016 at 9:07 pm

True; though I will say you've done it multiple times responding to my arguments. 

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 29, 2016 at 10:46 pm

wolvesandwilderness:
What would you do to 'foster a culture of purity'?
Great question! And not at all offensive. :)
Well, like I said, example is the first thing. We can't expect people to get people to live pure lives if we aren't living in chas.tity ourselves. I know example doesn't seem to make much of an impact, but really I believe it does much more good than appears on the surface. The more people save themselves for marriage, don't look at por.nography, and dress modestly, the more the world will realize this kind of life is not only possible but healthful and happy.
Once we're living pure lives ourselves, we've got to share the message of purity. We have to be well-informed so that when people ask us questions, we can answer them. And we've got to reach out to the world, not just wait for them to ask us questions. We have to promote chas.tity through the written word and in public, on the radio and on the internet, in blog posts and in entertainment. We need authors and screenwriters and magazine writers who will produce wholesome stories for society to consume, stories without anything morally abhorrant in them that uphold the virtues. We need to slowly change our culture from the inside out, by touching hearts, by informing minds.
It won't be an easy process. It will probably take a very long time. And there will certainly be opposition. I might not even live to see this culture of purity take root. But one thing's sure and certain: we have to fight for this, fight for it with all we have in us if it means fighting 'til our last breath.

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Mar. 30, 2016 at 2:56 pm

Lucy-Agnes: I would support a society like that, but I don't believe it possible, even over time, for one reason: people don't want it. 
You really can't tell if a person does look at por.nography, so no one will be influenced by that. People don't want to dress modestly or save themselves for marriage, because they see no problem with not doing so, nor do I think they will.
Pure lives don't often come up in conversation. No one wants to listen to the purity message, or else they would've gotten the hint already from nurse lessons. As for spreading via entertainment, it's just not what people want to see.
Although it sounds great, I don't think that even after years and years of spreading a message that much change will be made.
Personally, I believe the best way to combat the more harmful aspects is through almost a form of shock and awe: show people, even if it's gory or offensive or terribly depressing, because they need to know the consequences of their actions. Make it big, make it overwhelming. People will not respond otherwise.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 31, 2016 at 11:31 am

wolvesandwilderness:
I think people don't really know what they want. Right now they think s.exual impurity is great, but that's just because that's what everyone around them is telling them and because they don't know anything else.
Looking at por.nography and dressing imm.odestly seem like little things, I know - but it's the little things that make a really big difference, the little things that are the root of the problem. It's the little things that define the way people think and they way they think that defines the way they act, and the way they act that defines the culture they live in. Por.nography and imm.odest dressing spread the message that human se.xuality is not something sacred and holy, but something that can be tossed around and disrespected and used as a toy for our own pleasure.
Maybe pure lives don't come into conversation much; but the subtle influence of pure people will gradually be felt. Pure people means pure couples, pure couples mean pure families, pure families mean a rebirth of purity in society, even if just bit by bit.
Maybe imp.ure entertainment is really popular nowadays. But I strongly disagree that people don't want to see wholesome entertainment. Wasn't the 2015 Disney Cinderella movie a hit? And although I haven't seen the new Star Wars movie, as far as I know there's nothing offensive in it, and it was a blockbuster. It's not that people don't like wholesome entertainment, it's that we don't have enough. One of the reasons I really hope to be a writer when I grow up is that I want to help provide the world with good entertainment.
Sometimes shock and awe are needed, too. The P.lanned P.arenthood videos released last summer are a good example of that - showing people what's really going on in the a.bortion business. But where's the outrage because of that? You almost never hear about it anymore. So while I agree we need to see the goriness, I strongly believe that if we want to change our culture, we have to not only show the ugliness of im.morality, we also have to show the beauty of morality. We have to use a double-sided s.word, if you know what I mean. :)
And don't lose hope! Don't believe that just because things look bleak, darkness is going to win out in the end. We're going to have to work and fight long and hard, but in the end, good will triumph. It always does. 

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Mr.packerbear12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 31, 2016 at 12:16 pm

Lucy: That's a slippery slope argument with your por.nography statement. I used to have an addiction to p.orn, noone knew, only two trusted friends have ever known, one from this site, and the other is my girlfriend, because I thought it would only be fair for her to know. No one can tell, I don't dress different, don't act different, in fact people still thought I was an amazing person, someone they wish their children were like..little did they know what happened when I went into my room at night. It is a blackhole that will suck you in forever, I finally climbed my way out of it after seeing a young pure girl, let herself get taken advantage of, just to get paid. p.ornography is paid prost.i.tution, and should go by the same laws as prost.i.tution in my opinion. You have to remember, you can never tell who is doing immoral things and who isn't if they don't change the way they act in front of other people. I haven't read this entire thread, so if any of these points have already been brought up then sorry to repeat things. Even though this thread is about a.b.o.r.t.i.o.n, I noticed it got derailed..

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Admin. replied...
Mar. 31, 2016 at 12:18 pm

okay so as someone who saw the new Star Wars movie- it was heavily liberal.
 
The director, J.J. Abrams, purposefully cast actors who were not all white. There were efforts made to not be se.xist. Everything was, for lack of a better word, politically correct. That, along with the fact that it's a major franchise, is why it sold well. Oh, and that there was an incredible plot.
 
Anyway... General Hux has an entire speech that makes him sound like a Na.zi. There is a mass ge.nocide of 5 planets. Someone mu.rders their parent. There is mention of a massacre of children at the Jedi academy.
 
In fact, there's a massive fight where a chunk gets taken out of someone's face.
 
And, the only thing that matters to you in this conversation- Poe Dameron and Finn become '''very good friends.''' Enough so that they're the new main ship in the fandom. FinnPoe, or Stormpilot.
 
And yes, there is evidence for this. There's a scene where, after each thinking the other was gone from them, they run at each other and embrace. Poe bites his lip while looking at Finn wearing his jacket- which he then tells Finn to keep because 'it suits you.' Not only that, but the ga.y pilot is a huge trope in movies.
 
Just saying.
 
So to you, yes, there were offensive things.
 
Oh, and then John Boyega (Finn) made a lightsaber pe.nis joke on television. And Adam Driver (Kylo Ren) was called a 'millenial se.x symbol' on television just last night.
 
But that's something else.

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Admin. replied...
Mar. 31, 2016 at 12:43 pm

Oh, and Deadpool also managed to break a couple box office records. It's rated R and definitely had offensive stuff- even to me, a wild g.ay liberal.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 1, 2016 at 5:06 am

Lets be real, Deadpool was purposefully offensive. But it was still an excellent movie.

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 1, 2016 at 6:03 pm

Admin:
I guess I can't argue intelligently about a movie I haven't seen, but I highly doubt most people who went to see the new Star Wars went solely to see two minutes of g.ay innuendo. :) All the same, I agree with your statement that plot is highly important in a movie, or any type of entertainment. If a movie had a great plot and nothing immoral in it, I maintain that it would be a hit.
 
Mr.packerbear12:
Everything you said about p.orn is so true, and I'm so glad to hear you escaped from that black hole. Lots of times things like p.orn don't change the way people look or act on the outside - but it takes its toll all the same. It's one of the invisible monsters seeping the moral life out of our country (and world, for that matter).
As an effort to reverse the derailing of this thread... :) It seems to me that most people who are for a.bortion agree with the Machiavellian principle that "the end justifies the means." Is that true?

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Admin. replied...
Apr. 1, 2016 at 7:33 pm

"I guess I can't argue intelligently about a movie I haven't seen"
 
Yeah, you really can't. I had so many links to disprove this that I put it in a Google Doc, which I highly recommend you read.
 
goo.gl/GgUgL4
 
Oh, and as an aside, I went back to watch the movie a second time in theatres just because of the representation. And I've pre-ordered the movie and will be buying the book as well as hopefully other merchandise to support the new series.
 
Because they did such a good job with representation. Including g.ay representation.

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Admin. replied...
Apr. 1, 2016 at 10:03 pm

oh my god ok so i told a friend about this thread and he was like "john oliver did a segment on abo.rtion" and i was like "well i should watch that" and long story short it was great here you go
 
youtu.be/DRauXXz6t0Y

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Admin. replied...
Apr. 1, 2016 at 10:04 pm

((as usual, i go completely off track whoo sorry pals))

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Lucy-AgnesThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 2, 2016 at 4:38 pm

So, does anyone else think it's ridiculous P.lanned P.arenthood hasn't been shut down for their trade in baby body parts?

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CNBono17 replied...
Apr. 2, 2016 at 4:44 pm

It is pretty morbid...

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Mr.packerbear12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 2, 2016 at 4:45 pm

There are a few John Oliver shows I don't like, and that's one of them, incredibly biased. Most of his segments have a lot to back them up, this one not near as much.

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Mr.packerbear12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 2, 2016 at 4:46 pm

And yes that is something  they haven't been shut down yet, it is so messed up..but that's the USA we live in..ugh.

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CNBono17 replied...
Apr. 2, 2016 at 4:48 pm

The USA is not as great as it could be...

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