We can't depend on the government so heavily. I'm a big fan of smaller, localized government instead of this corrupt and crazy federal government we have. Who are they to tell us what to do? We pay them money to take care of us, and they use it to ship our children overseas to fight a war that doesn't matter, while they could be using tax money for education or healthcare. The government has outlawed substances for crying out loud, like drugs, but they have no right to do that. They are here to make sure we have good relations with other countries and have a high standard of living. They aren't here to regulate our lives. This nation was built on the idea of personal freedoms, owning guns of any kind is a personal freedom. This shooting shouldn't be a case of adding more regulations to guns, but focusing more on mental health care. Who is to say our government won't turn on us once they take away our guns? They would have nothing to be afraid of if we were unarmed, they would have our money and our freedom. And another thing, I would be dead if I didn't have access to weapons. I can hold my own in a fight, but when you get mugged, there's not much you can do but protect your internal organs with your limbs unless you have a weapon. Being underaged, I can't legally own anything, I'm technically not a person according to the government. They don't let me vote, drive, drink, and a number of other things they have no right to control. So even unregistered weapons have protection purposes. If anyone in that school had a weapon, deaths could have been prevented, but we can't have weapons in school apparently. Frankly, I'm surprised to hear when someone doesn't carry a weapon on them at all times. What would they do if they get into trouble, or someone else needs help? Call me crazy, but I am always armed, and I've never killed anyone or gone all Charles Manson on anyone, I've been able to protect myself and others around me thanks to fire arms. I don't really care if criminals have "illegal" guns, as long as everyone else has guns as well.
It really doesn't matter how many bullets you have in a clip if you look at it like that. You could kill someone with one bullet. You could kill someone with your hands. You could even kill someone with a piece of string, or a pill bottle.
Does that mean we should give people the option? Does it? If no one needs more than 10, we shouldn't give it to them, because it just opens the window for mass murder.
I also wanted to ask you if we could be friends? I need a friend on this site, and I think you're awesome.
Or a credit card, or a pen, or a towel, or peanuts, or millions of other things. You can't stop murder.
I do think the government has a right to control things like drinking, driving, and voting. A LOT of teenagers are WAY too immature to drive, drink, or vote. And there has to be an age limit, otherwise we'd have ten year olds choosing who gets to be the next president based on who has the nicest sounding name.
Aeliss, exactly. Things that effect everyone should be regulated to ensure no one gets hurt. Teens have bad decision making skills (fact) and I think it is a good thing we aren't allowed to drive. We give up certain freedoms for the good of society when we live in a Capitalistic country. Everyone who lives in the U.S. accepts that, or they move somewhere else.
I agree that we need to give up some freedoms, but apparently the Founding Fathers of America didn't think we needed to give up our guns. Overriding the Constitution with very strict gun control would set a dangerous precedent for meddling with the Consitution in the future. I also think it's rather naive to think that outlawing guns will somehow stop these terrible crimes. If someone wants to commit a murder, he won't say, "Oh, darn. I was gonna do that, but looks like I have to register to get a gun. Guess I'll just live a peaceful life now." The killer in Newtown had a clean criminal record, and almost definitely could've gotten a gun permit anyway! And even if he couldn't, he could've easily bought a gun from the black market. I understand people wanting to find a solution for a tragedy like this, but sometimes you can't prevent things like this. I'm sure someone else has already said something like this earlier in the thread, but hey, I guess I might as well too.
I have only read the first part of this thread and i am seeing where in the debate it is going.
So far I have seen that Sorla has gained quite a few votes on her side with her whole idea that guns are not the killer.... people are. In fact there is a point to that. Sorla many people use guns to kill others, but they can also use anything else. Pepper spray, if used correctly, can be used to kill someone.
Also the argument over the government and how they have become a symbol for the people of the country to rely on for the everyday needs, I would like to quote something from the US Constitution. "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity......" In this first sentence we are told that the people of the country are the ones to make the decisions, not the government.
As for the other argument, I can agree on a few things also.
Many guns are designed for killing people. Not murder, like Aeliss said. Anyway, these guns were made originally for the military only, then after a while, those people in the military who used those guns were allowed to take them home as reminders/ decoration/ etc. Over a while those guns became popular and the makers saw a profit coming, so they made them for average citizens.
The guns that need to stop being allowed to be owned by citizens are the ones that military use regularly. I know that the military use every type of gun eventually, but what does a normal citizen need with an assault rifle? What do they need protection from here? The only time an assault rifle would be needed by a citizen, for protection, is if there was a war in their own country. And last I checked, there isn’t a war here in America, on our own soil.
(I hope that this helps both sides gather some evidence on the topic of this debate.)
I have gotten kind of tired of arguing, because we are obviously not going to agree, but anyone else here is welcome to join in on this very heated debate.
Here's a rhetorical question. Are there sometimes people who need to be killed?
To put this in context, if you saw Adam Lanza going from one classroom where he had just killed a bunch of kids to the next classroom, what should you do?
Here's another question that I consider rather central to this thread. What is an assault rifle?
This is not a very heated debate. Not at all. No one seems to be getting mad at each other, there's no yelling...People can disagree without it getting heated.
Yes, some people should be killed. If I saw him going from one classroom to the next, I'd grab the nearest fire extinguisher and spray the frippin thing in his face, then hit him with it. Yes, I could easily get myself shot, but I'd still do it.
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From the wikipedia page:
An assault rifle is a selective fire (either fully automatic or burst capable) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detatchable magazine.
I italiced [word?] a very important point. Assault rifles must be able to fire full auto. It is currently illegal in the United States to purchase a full auto rifle without a special license.
If some people should be killed, why are we restricted from the most effective means of killing them?
Hey Confuzzled, I'm not arguing with you as a person. You seem reasonable, but I don't agree with your ideas. So don't take anything too personally. :)
I am (was) Confuzzled5, and I am totally not taking this personally, not at all. I am just done arguing on this particular topic, this site has been taking up a bit too much of my time lately, so I took a step back.
Confuzzled (or KimKendrick....): you say ban only guns designed for murder. but is there a gun not designed for murder? the way i see it, if a person wants to kill, if they have that supressed anger, they *will find a way*. not only can a gun kill you, but so can a truck. or a dictionary. a rock. poison gas. lack of oxygen. too much carbon dioxide. just because guns are illegal doesn't mean a) people wont find other ways to get them and b) those who wish to kill wont find other methods. personally i think more effort should be put into the mental health system, to *prevent this from even happening*. although i know there is no such catch-all: my mother used to be a counselor at a school, and recently one of her former patients commited a double murder for seemingly no reason. i remember her saying there was nothing she could have done. think of the world we live in. parents are always warning us about peer pressure, right? and, as much as we scoff and roll our eyes, its there. if you don't fit in, life can be tough. and if you have mental problems already, suppressed anger from being treated different your whole life--and it doesn't matter by who. siblings. parents. grandparents. friends. classmates. teachers.--then what can we do? a lot of this is out of the blue. completely. we can try to prevent it (which i think is the best option) instead of arguing over something which really is just a piece of the iceberg. and not paying attention to the whole iceberg sank the titanic.
I GIVE UP!!! My family is really messed up, and where I come from, drugs, alcohal, smoking, violence, theft, all of it is as common as trees. I have fought all my life not to fall victim to them, but I know I can't, it is written in the past of my family and I know someday I will, all I can do is delay it, and knowing this is the worst thing that can happen to anybody, so you can argue all you want, I will not stop fighting for what I believe, because even though I wasn't given a decent chance at life, I want to give others that chance.
Kim, I appreciate you wanting to make things better in your future, and that's great. I guess I just don't see how banning guns would help anything, but if that's your opinion that's fine. All the best, Junie
My point isn't that it will make my life better, because nothing can do that, I just want the world to be a better place for everyone.
Ok, here I am again (not in my nature to be on time)! If we want to protect ourselves from murderers, doesn't it seem like a good idea to have guns around? If people that mean us harm have access to guns, normal people should as well so they have a chance to defend themselves. I find that the most problems with guns happen from poor handling. I have fired everything from hunting rifles to revolvers, and the only times me or someone else has gotten shot has been from poor handling of the fire arms. Basically, the safety should be on until you're ready to shoot, and don't even touch the trigger until the second you're ready to shoot. Don't point the gun anywhere other then your target, and don't wave it around. I have gotten shot three times, only one of which was from someone actually meaning me harm. The other two times were from friends being stupid with their firearms. Not only do we need to make guns more easily accessible, but we need to educate everyone in proper gun handling. The way I see it, more deaths could have been prevented in the Newtown shooting if someone in that school was armed. Given the option of taking guns away from everybody, or letting people own fire arms, I would want people to be allowed to own firearms, because I am a small girl, and there are plenty of people out there I wouldn't be able to beat in a fight. And I'd love to be your friend, Kim :P