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Jackies63 posted this thread...
Jul. 11 at 3:20 pm

Probably the most talked about problem in society. Is it ethical or is not? I know this conversation will end up in a large arguement, but if it changes someones opinion it is worth it.
Please make your points only about the content to this (nothing about bi.rth con.trol thats a different issue)

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12 at 1:42 am

Well Jackie, hate to be that guy, but in some cases b.irth c.ontrol and a.bortions are pretty closely linked, but I think I’ve already made things clear about that (though you can look up Hobby Lobby’s recent arguments in its case before the Supreme Court).
 
As far as my position I’ll restate it. Life is precious. I am against a.bortion except in the case of a threat of bodily harm (and significant harm at that) to either the mother or the baby. What you have to understand is that life starts at conception. Right at that moment, the growing baby it is a living, developing, and undeniably valued human being. If I went up to anyone on the street all the way from Kim Kardashian down to a hobo and killed them, I’d be arrested, prosecuted, and sent to jail. Yet when human life is in its most vulnerable state we find it easy and excusable to kill it, all for convenience sake.
 
In short: s.perm +  e.gg = life; gov’t tells us we can’t take another’s life; gov’t lets 3,000 plus lives end every day

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12 at 5:12 pm

Ceasar, out of curiosity have you heard of Summit?
In the meantime, Ceasar is right, the question comes down to, "Is the unborn child a human or not?" This question actually isn't that hard to answer, given the empirical evidence. Unfortunately, most women getting abo.rtions do not have all the information, or do not want it. Statistically, about 78% of women do not have abo.rtions after seeing an ultra sound of their unborn child's heartbeat. Most abor.tion providerse do not allow mothers to see the ultras ounds because of the potential risk that the mother won't have one after she sees it.
 
lifenews . c o m /2013/02/07/78-of-pre gnant-women-seeing-an-ultra sound-reject-abo rtions

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12 at 11:42 pm

No, Doctorbug. I’ve never really heard of Summit. Mind telling me what it is?
 
And on the other hand thanks. Sometimes I feel like I get ganged up on when it comes to this topic.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 13 at 8:27 am

Summit Ministiries is an organization dedicated to educating young people on social, political and religious topics. The hold student conferences in different states several times a year. I was just curious because you were arguing against abor.tion from the position that the baby is actually a human being from conc.eption and that's a concept taught at Summit. That and you also mentioned the Hobby Lobby case, which they often talk about now, lol. If you haven't heard of it before, you should look them up :)



As for being ganged up on...lol XD I know what you mean. I used to really feel that way and would stay out of arguments, but now that I've actually read up on the subject and talked to some intellectual people about it, I feel that it's a piece of cake ;) Talking to 5 different people at once though can be exhausting, lol!



Btw, I wasn't around to welcome you to TI, sorry 'bout that! How long you been?

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 13 at 8:42 am

Hey, maybe Jackies feels ganged up on now, hahahaha!! There's two of us and one of her, lol. What say you, Jackies?

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Smitty561 replied...
Jul. 15 at 9:35 pm

I’ve actually just returned from Summit. It was one of the best and most educational experiences of my life.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 15 at 9:40 pm

Ditto! Where did you go! I just got back from Colorado, 3rd session!

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Smitty561 replied...
Jul. 17 at 10:44 pm

Why is this tread so quiet? Let's get some action!

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 19 at 9:40 am

Would be nice too, I think we're all a little nervous about getting into a heated discussion about something so...close to home.
 
I've actually never had a discussion about ab.ortion before, for that very reason. I didn't want to get into a heated discussion where all I would be spouting are opinions I can't back up. Summit really changed that, I guess.

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 20 at 11:02 pm

I mainly get my talking points on stuff like this from conservative talk radio Doctorbug. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, the like. It’s cool that a ministry is eager to educate kids and teens on the truth about what’s happening.
 
I’ve been on Teen Ink for a little more than two years now. Gotten several things liked by the editor, but nothing in the print mag yet.

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Smitty561 replied...
Jul. 21 at 1:27 am

When I get some time I think I'm going to just write my reasoning down and ask anyone if they want to respond.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 22 at 7:00 pm

Probably a good idea, Smitty. I've noticed when we start threads, if we don't present an argument and our point of view off from the start, nobody's interested, lol. Can't blame them for it, though!
 
Ceaser: I don't get radio where I live :(((((((
But when I did back when I lived somewhere else, I would always listen to talk show hosts like Rush, Sean and Michael Savage (in the evening). Everytime I'm driving in a city, I'll still turn them on lolz!

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