How do I know that I'm real and that you're not just a figmant of my imagination? How do I know if I am truly really here, and not in some psyche ward, acting out my fantasies? How do I know that some scientist isn't forcing my brain to feel, to think, to see? How do I know that I'm even human, I mean for all I know, the scientist prodding my brain could be an alien, and I could be an alein too! Sorry, just had to get that thought out there, it has been bugging me for quite some time. Perhaps you can make me believe all I see and hear and do is reality...
I know. I know that I am real, that no alien or person controls me. Except God. He is in complete control of my life, yet somehow I still have the ability to make choices. It's confusing, but I just have faith--that and read the Bible.
Thank you for responding, I didn't expect anyone to be able to decipher my ravings. :) I read my bible every night, and I suppose I know I'm real because I can't really understand it lol. Thank you for answering my question :)
:) glad to be of service lol. Yeah, there are so many things that are hard to understand! :P
This may be a disconcerting answer, but in short; we really don't. How do we prove the world is nothing but a figment, a stimulated response, or a comatose induced dream if our senses themselves are simply a figment? WritinGirl how do you know there is a God? How do you know it's not a simulated belief that such a God and such evidence supporting him exists? Unless we "wake up" from this "dream" we actually can't prove that there is anyone but our own conscious.
Or food for thought, maybe God IS the scientist stimulating life in our minds...
Lol, quite interesting. I guess if you don't wanna believe you're real go right ahead. But I know I am touching something because I can feel it. I know I'm real and this computer I 'm typing on is real as well.
Hi, I’ve only been on for about ten seconds, but I love your question. So, in the form of many philosophers I’ll answer your question with a question, “What evidence do you have to prove that you don’t exist?” In other words, why should you believe you don’t exist? Also if you are just in the matrix (or some such construct) how do you know your Matrix self doesn’t think they are in the Matrix. So on and so on. Like the movie Inception, except we don’t have a top or chess piece to indicate if this is a dream. I hope I didn’t muddle up my answer and make it confusing. I have a bad habit of that. So, if I did lose you, just refer to my original answer: What evidence do you have to prove that you don’t exist?
I wasn't going to say anything but your mention of Inception was irresistable. I love that movie!
Anyways, Smitty, you might want to pop by the "Newbies" thread and introduce yourself. It's somewhere near the top :D But I'll pride myself in being the first one (so far) to welcome you to the forum! One thing I can be sure of, you will come to despise the filters. We all do. Hope you stay!
Liv.Harris: Smitty makes a good point. Basically we do have to assume a few things about the universe before we can even begin to try and understand things, like: Is the universe understandable or not in the first place? Most people go ahead and assume it is, because before you can even make an argument to prove it's not, requires the assumption that it is.
Before you can even say you aren't really real, you have to be real enough to say that. See what I mean?
Thank you for all of your awesome answers! I didn't expect any really deep answers, because this is sucha dumb question, but I was so glas that you all took it seriously! Thank you so much!
Thank you, I love that response :) It really triggered my brain somewhere where I am not used to thinking.
Thanks for the long answer, I loved pondering over it :)
No problem! We always take all questions seriously here and are happy to answer ;) sparks good conversation!
Mr.packerbear12, how do you know that your touch isn't just a simulation? As you type that you're not just a program being acted out, or a puppet? Going back to the comatose theory, you think you're real; you feel real but it's just an illusion, a separate reality. You can't prove the existence of your own touch. Explain the color Red to a blind person.
Cogito ergo sum.
Esha!!! How are you doing!?
"I think, therefore I am," has been my reply for as long as I remember, but a while back someone told me that there was a logical flaw in that argument, or something to the extent of that. I'm going to go look it up right now, cause I can't remember, but do you know what they were talking about?
Has anyone here ever read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? It covers a lot of related themes... Kind of talking about how if we assume that what we see is not just a computer program or something (although I must agree with Pseudonym there's no actual way to prove this...), we still overlay our own conscious perspective on everything. Whatever we see is in some way altered by our senses and brain-processing. So to a certain extent, everything we see in the world (our conscious) is still a figment of our minds, even if there is a physical world as well that provides the basis for what we see and then consciously register.
I'm not sure if I explained that very well. Did that make sense to anyone else?
Psuedonymous the one making the claim is the one required to provide evidence. The onus is on you. Do you have any proof that you don't exist or are just a brain on a slab?
Also, this arguement is comitting the ad ignorantiam fallacy. Which states: assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice versa.
Otherwise I could ask if you have any evidance that Aliens don't exsist. Because this is something you cannot, for sure, prove. I could just say that because you can't disprove Aliens, Aliens exsist.
Hey! Doctorbug! I'm good, but I've been busy. I saw this post and figured I had enough time for a three word answer, but now it appears that I am being dragged down to the depths of your philsophical deiscussions... ah well.
As to my thoughts about the subject: I exist. Perhaps not as a human, perhaps not as a living, breathing thing, but I exist. Whether I am the puppet of an evil scientist, or a figment of my own imagination, or an avatar of an alien's level 15 nerd MMORPG character, I exist on some plane of consciousness and understanding.
"But what if the alien/scientist/insane you isn't real? What if he's also a character?"
And then begins the spiral. To make this shorter, imagine the word "nothing". "Nothing" is possibly the most overarching concept possible. perhaps a car or a brain or hope or love are a figments of our imagination, but nothingness is a thing that is present in almost every situation of aliens and psyche wards we can think of. Why? Let's imagine three existences (Which I'll define as the universe, and all dimensions, parallels, and duplicates of it):
World 1: An existence in which nothing exists. absolutely nothing.
World 2: An existence in which some things exist, and somethings do not.
World 3: An existence which nothing does not exist, everything is a thing. (that sounded stupid)
I hypothesize that I exist without a doubt within worlds 2 and 3. World 1 cannot exist, for this reason:
I cannot be nothing, for nothing, by very definition, is not me. therfore, I must be something, however small and simple. If something exists, I am within it somewhere.
Alright, so that may have not made a wink of sense to anybody, but it made me happy :3 don't tackle me. Anyways, I think the more important question is what you choose to believe about yourself. Are you going to live your life believeing you are nothing, or something?
-Peace out <(^_^<)