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CollinF replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 12:04 am

stuntdude:
 
Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps the religious know "deep down" that they will see their relatives again, but are sad for their temporary pain and the fact that they must live the rest of their lives without them, and not that "deep down" they acknowedge that you're right about everything and that you can see into their souls in a way they themselves can't? In fact, at many funerals it may be much more comforting to say that there won't be a final judgment.
 
And you can take your evidence and . . . .***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

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CollinF replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 12:04 am

stuntdude:
 
Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps the religious know "deep down" that they will see their relatives again, but are sad for their temporary pain and the fact that they must live the rest of their lives without them, and not that "deep down" they acknowedge that you're right about everything and that you can see into their souls in a way they themselves can't? In fact, at many funerals it may be much more comforting to say that there won't be a final judgment.
 
And you can take your evidence and . . . .***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

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CollinF replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 12:05 am

stuntdude:
 
Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps the religious know "deep down" that they will see their relatives again, but are sad for their temporary pain and the fact that they must live the rest of their lives without them, and not that "deep down" they acknowedge that you're right about everything and that you can see into their souls in a way they themselves can't? In fact, at many funerals it may be much more comforting to say that there won't be a final judgment.
 
And you can take your evidence and . . . .***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

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Breece6 replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 7:17 am

Superhero_Fan:
 
 "I'd get to go on missions with Alex Rider! (Just without Jack dying and all that."
 
They made another one where Jack dies?  ****
Gonna have to read it now.
 
I also hope you're talking about the Alex Rider from the books and not the awful movie.
 
:P

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 7:46 am

^^Oh yeah...I stopped reading those so I haven't seen the last couple yet. They were pretty good books.

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Superhero_Fan replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 6:25 pm

Breece: They have up to book nine now, and Anthony Horowitz is coming out with a new one! It's called Russian Roulette and it's supposed to be released in November of this year. It's the last one he's going to write, and it's about Yassen. Yes, I am talking about the books. The movie was okay in itself, but they failed miserably at making it resemble the first book. Sorry I let a spoiler loose about the last one though.

Quantum: You should definitely read the last few!

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 10:09 pm

"Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps the religious know "deep down" that they will see their relatives again, but are sad for their temporary pain and the fact that they must live the rest of their lives without them"
 
Yeah, and then I considered that cults where people have really definitively convinced themselves that this is true tend to celebrate death, and marked it down as a noteworthy but unlikely possibility.
 
"And you can take your evidence and . . ."
 
LOL. I'm treasuring this quore forever. It's religion in a nutshell.

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Destinee replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 10:14 pm

People celebrate death???!!! WHO?!?!?! :O
 
What's the evidence SDD? I'm curious :)

 
Also, Collin, while I thought your misusage of the ***s was hilarious, let's...tone it down... this is a thread about happy things. :D
 
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CollinF replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 10:27 pm

stuntdude:
 
You misspelled "quote," boy genius. 
 
And I have no idea what you're talking about, as I'm neither a cult member, nor do I know any cult members, and I do not celebrate death, nor do I know anyone who does so. The fact that you would insult the faith of people like, for instance, the mother of my middle school friend who was killed in a dirtbike accident who sobbed uncontrollably at the funeral even thought they were devout believers is disgusting. She cried because she knew her son would not have a chance to impact the world, and that she'd have to go years without hearing his voice or seeing his smile again. To claim that she was subconsciously being unfaithful to the one thing that kept her from giving up on life entirely is sickening and cruel, and you should be ashamed for looking down on her and claiming to know her thoughts.
 
And treasure whatever you wish, my friend. "Evidence" probably should have been put in quotations there, because you have none. You do not know what grieving people think, and you certainly do not know what happens after death.
 
And you can take your nutshell and shove it **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************twice. 

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CollinF replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 10:32 pm

Destinee:
 
I thought your description of the afterlife was beautiful. Thanks for that. Go ahead and order two please. ;)
 
And I've attempted to be civil, but now he's gone from irritating me to angering me. Being a despicable human being towards vague theological issues is acceptable, but doing so to insult distraught believers calls for a swift kick to the b.alls. Ignoring punks just makes them worse. 

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KatsK replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 10:35 pm

Whooooa, Collin. I understand completely where you're coming from, but you don't need to be quite so ... emphatic. You both are being slightly patronizing.
I understand that this is a major belief that is the cornerstone of Christian faith, and that SDD's opinions are a bit extreme, but you (both) don't need to resort to name-calling. Of course, I can't stop you, but.... Anyhow ... *whistles*

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 4, 2013 at 8:52 am

Dude, Collin, I'm sorry but you are seriously impossible to take seriously when you get this mad.

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Breece6 replied...
Sept. 4, 2013 at 1:35 pm

“Anyhow, you know it's true. You're distraught when your close family "passes on" just like any other sane human being - somewhere in your heart of hearts, you are aware that you won't see them again. Be sad about it if you want, personally I prefer to take it for what it is - the ultimate motivation to live a life worth living.
 
"Claiming to know what people think "deep down" is silly..." 

  

...Unless you have evidence to back it up.
 
Yeah, and then I considered that cults where people have really definitively convinced themselves that this is true tend to celebrate death, and marked it down as a noteworthy but unlikely possibility”
 
SDD:
 
Well, some of us are still interested in seeing what you think of Collin’s points regardless of whether or not you can’t take his attitude seriously.
 
So about how about answering it coming from me and Destinee instead? 
 
First off, using a cult as an example of evidence of whether or not people think (a) as opposed to (b) is pretty much a strawman argument.  Collin didn’t say, “have you ever considered that maybe cultists feel like..” he said people, as in regular people, which is what the conversation is about. 
Second off, dismissing the thoughts of a large group of people because of a small sample is pretty ridiculous in and of itself.  I think you should just admit at this point that your “cult” point was flawed and hasty. 
Also, “in your heart of hearts”, while it may be a poetic phrase that is also a possible allusion to Eragon, it’s hardly what I’d call an empirical term.  Honestly, for someone who’s as prone to demanding scientifically accurate evidence and such a harsh critic of vague terminology as yourself I’m kind of surprised to hear you use that :P 
            Also, I’d go so far as to say that the concept you’re describing (the “deep down” feeling) is a flawed source to ascertain accurate information from.  From my experience, “deep down” or “heart of hearts” is generally an area which is based largely on emotions and instinct, and devoid of much rationalization. 
            In addition, let’s assume for a second that what people think in their “heart of hearts” has any actual bearing on reality or even what they really think after being put in control of their thoughts.  How do you know that they’re not just doubting they’ll see their loved ones again?  Doubt does not equal knowing.  Just because I doubt something doesn’t mean the inverse is true.  Of course people have doubts about the afterlife and spirituality after a loved one dies, how could you imagine not having those kinds of thoughts in such a situation?  That doesn’t mean that their doubts are correct, or even worth taking seriously, they’re just emotional responses to a tough situation.
Overall, your argument is pretty flawed, and it’s offensive to people who are religious that have lost loved ones. 
 
I think this is one of those moments where you should just suck it up and say “sorry”. 
 
Also, don’t respond with some contrived satire that provides nothing to the discussion.  No offense, but you tend to do that sometimes, like that last sentence about not taking Collin seriously when he’s this mad, it really didn’t add anything to the discussion and you pretty much just ignored everything he said.
 
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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 4, 2013 at 1:49 pm

^ AMEN. Yeah, sorry, that's pretty much all I have to contribute at this point.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm

Ok...so back to candy and ponies and s.ex people...

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Sept. 4, 2013 at 7:22 pm

Also, “in your heart of hearts”, while it may be a poetic phrase that is also a possible allusion to Eragon...
 
Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 2. You're welcome.
 
(Wanders away to go read some Bard)
 
(Comes running back)
 
Actually, my paradise would have a TARDIS, because then I could actually go back in time as well as teleport. I wanna meet Shakespeare!
 

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 5, 2013 at 8:02 am

So I just had a thought. Why should we wish for all the things that we most enjoy now? Instead, we could simply wish to enjoy anything and everything, and all other circumstances are up to whim.

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Superhero_Fan replied...
Sept. 5, 2013 at 5:23 pm

Miles: I never thought of it that way! Yeah, I can't elaborate more than that. But thanks for posting it! :)

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Sept. 5, 2013 at 5:31 pm

Edgy:
 
>wishes to enjoy everything
>goes through gruesome torturing and death
>AMG DIS ISH AWESHUM.
 
Seems legit bro. WOOOOOOOO

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm

Well presumably you would be immortal/wouldn't die, but yeah other than that...

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