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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 9:44 am

If you've any questions about the Messianic Faith then ask them here, i would be happy to answer them, (i'm sure doctorbug would be too:)...i think;)
 
Shalom Aleichem!
~PB:)

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 10:18 am

What, in your opinion, is the biggest difference between being a Messianic Jew and a Christian?

Also, theologically speaking, do you accept the New Testament? And if so are there any parts of it you don't except?

And, who among the apostles (if any) would you consider "Messianic Jews"?

Thanks buddy, should be a fun time :D

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 10:19 am

What, in your opinion, is the biggest difference between being a Messianic J.ew and a Christian?
 
Also, theologically speaking, do you accept the New Testament?  And if so are there any parts of it you don't except?  
 
And, who among the a.postles (if any) would you consider "Messianic J.ews"?
 
Thanks buddy, should be a fun time :D
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KatsKThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 11:28 am

What Breece said. Also, how strict is the faith? You also take the bible literally, right? What makes you convinced that Messianism (is that even a word?) Judiaism is the correct religion?

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm

Breece:
 
1.) I think that the biggest difference is that Messianics believe in the "Old" Testament law, and that Yehshua did not do away with law. HOWEVER we do not beleive that we are saved by the Law, we are saved by grace not by works so that no one can boast...forgot the location of that verse...but IT IS THERE:)
 
2.) I and nearly all Messianics Believe in the ENTIRE N.T.
 
3.) I believe they all were because they kept the commands and believed Yehshua is the Messiah.
 
No Prob, Glad to be back:)
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Katsk:
 
1.) I do not believe in a religion, I am closest to Messianic Judaism, but am not, they believe a bit differently, as far as how strict is the faith, i don't know, it's hard to say because i find joy in what i believe in, but basically follow the O.T laws and the N.T laws, and beleive that Yehshua is the Messiah, I am NOT saved by the law but by grace:) it's jsut like if you love your Dad then to show that you love him you do what he commands, same thing with Yahweh if you love Him, you keep His commands:) We do not do sacrifices because the Temple has been destroyed.
2.) yes i take the Bible Literal.
 
3.) Like i said i do not believe in a relgion but i am convinced because the Bible says to guard and keep His commands, and now the question how do you know the Bible is the ultimate truth? Faith is the evidence of things unseen:)
 
Shalom Aleichem!
PB:)
 
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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 1:00 pm

Packerbacker:
 
Ephesians Chapter 2 verses 13-16
 
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have become near by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh
abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, that he might create in himself one new person* in place of the two, thus establishing peace
abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, that he might create in himself one new person* in place of the two, thus establishing peace
 
What are your thoughts on this particular passage and how it applies to your beliefs?
 
Thanks! :)

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm

Oops, posted verse 16 twice by accident -_-
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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 8:06 pm

Is there any scientific evidence for what you believe?

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 10:40 pm

Breece: will get to you it is very complicated:)
 
Stuntddude: Yep! ht tp://ww w.youtube.c om/watch?annotation_id=annotation_634777&feature=iv&src_vid=W2dJ1KfftqY&v=KaPn_pKQt0s
 
long, but should serve it's purpose;)
 
Shalom Alechiem!
PB:)
 
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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 10:48 pm

You're back!!!!

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 10:49 pm

Do you follow laws about food and clothing?
 
What are your religious rituals? Church? Prayer? Fasting? How often? Etc.

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 9:49 am

quantum: and happy to be back!:)
 
Jubilex: Yes i follow the dietary laws of Leviticus 11. as far as clothing my dad belives mixing of any two fabrics, but the scripture says don't mix wool and linen so i follow that:)
 
Well we don't celebrate "rituals" per say, but we celebrate the Seven commanded feasts in the Bible, and we also celebrate two uncommanded feasts, Purim(the celebration of Yahweh using Esther to free his people from babylon(sp) and we also celebrate Hannukah( celebration of The Maccabees defeating the greeks, the Maccabees were a very small army and the greeks were considered strong and mighty, Hannukah Is NOT a Jewish christmas:) )
 
For Church we meet at people's houses (usually ours) so it's basically home assembly, some groups meet at a building or rent a church.
 
Prayer, same type of prayer as church, but we also do Hebrew blessings, such as blessings over the bread and the wine, and for Shabbat and going back into the new week after Shabbat. (pronounced Sha-Bought, aka Sabbath:) )
 
We fast once a year when it is commanded by Yahweh, on the feast of Yom Kippur(the day of repentance) it is a day to pray and repent and cleanse our bodies not just physically but spiritually.
 
Shalom Alechiem!
 
PB:)
 
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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 5:46 pm

Hey, PB....YOU'RE BACK!!

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 5:47 pm

Oooh, Yom Kippur is awesome :)



This thread makes me happy (but that's probably because I skimmed it and missed the arguing, hahahaha)

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 6:22 pm

A few excerpts from the description of (and uploader comments on) the video you linked:
 
"until one day the finds can be exploited by the global political power structure toward the goal of openly establishing a world government and erecting a Masonic temple in Jerusalem for a world leader to set himself up in as the Christ of the new age."
 
"Probably when the enemy has the global political climate set to gain maximum momentum toward a new era of Israel nationalism, a revival of Judaism & the Mosaic laws, enforced sabbath days (at least in Judea) which SDA & Hebrew Roots groups are already prepped for, & finally building the temple in the new world capitol in Jerusalem possibly in exchange for dividing the land as part of a brokered peace deal ushering in a counterfeit, short-lived golden age. Then Israel will be double-crossed."
 
Somehow, I really don't think the video will be worth my time to watch. Is there any summary I could read, or a better source you could give? I'm ten minutes in and there's been no evidence or science presented or even discussed yet, so honestly, I'm not going to waste my time unless you have a time stamp for where it is in the video.

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 8:28 pm

Dbug: :) please help with breece's question:) thanks!
 
SDD: i'm sorry skip past the intro i don't have a time stamp but i believe it's about 20-30 min in when it starts, and youtube comments are just annoying hipocrites:)
 
Shalom Alechiem!
 
PB:)
 
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KatsKThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 10:06 pm

Well, what I believe stunt is asking is if you have any other, perhaps better-informed sources that he could look to, that might be more science-focused.
Man, I should never be a mediator. Of anything. It's way too hard.

* Acknowledging both PB's and SDD's equal humanity.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 10:57 pm

Sure PB :) And OMIGOSH I SO LOVE THAT VIDEO :P I got goosbumps the first time. SDD: seriously dude, if it's one thing you do before you die, watch the vid. It's a testiment to how history can be radically erased and never remembered again. People nowadays think the holocaust was a joke for crying out loud. If they can forget that (which is really scary), what else can forget?
 
SDD and KatsK: Um...when asking for proof from a messianic, we autimatically understand it as "why are you messianic instead of some other Christian denomination?", not "Why are you Christian?"

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 10:58 pm

As for scientific evidence, that video is the best and PB did a darned good job posting it.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 29, 2013 at 11:09 pm

Summery of video:
Mount Sinai exists. Traditional site is the wrong one, the mountain is actually in the arabian panninsula. When you get the mountain correct, then you start to find all these other archaeological descoveries that confirm:
 
A) Moses and the Israelits where there worshiping at that mountin--the only one that's stained black in the whole region by the way.
 
B) That moses and the Israelites where wandering around the desert for 40 years. By the way, God promised them that every place where the sole of their foot walked, he would give them. Which is interesting, because the Israelites wandered all over the arabian pannisula...which means the promise land is actually a lot bigger than we origianally thought.
 
C) Confirms a whole bunch of minor historical events in the OT like the water coming from a rock, the mass slaughter after the golden calf (there's a huge burial site in the surrounding area of the mountain). There was definitely animal sacrifice going on around there.
 
Basically the descovery of that mountain confirms very convincingly the historical accuracy of the OT. And since Messianics take the OT as literal, the descovery of that mountian is very good scientific evidence to use as a reason to be Messianic not some other denomination that throws out the historical accuracy of the OT.
 
By the way, I thought physical facts that confirm biblical history do count as scientific evidence.

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