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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:49 pm

> Reads post



> Is a bit tipsy



> Therefore everything is funny



XD Sorry, here, I'll try to respond, but keep the above in mind :P



Superhero:



"Wow, that was a historic moment in my life! :') That was the first time I've ever been quoted and debated."



Ya know what else? Probably the first time I quoted and debated with someone on religion XD YAY MILESTONES.



"Yes, we all have different views on 'Perfect', but I mean PERFECT!"



Cuz caps locks makes all the dif gais.



"I'm talking about His view of perfect"



That's exactly why he isn't all-around perfect. He's only perfect according on one definition, so calling him so-called perfect bothers me a lot, since it implies he's perfect in every way possible. When he 's NOT. >:-D <--- le nose, c'est genialllll~~~~



"Yeah, I didn't word that quite right."



And you're not gonna bother to try rewording it?



"It's like an egg. (Sorry, this is an overused analogy) God the Father is the shell, The Son is the egg white, and The Holy Spirit is the yolk. They're all different, but they're all part of the egg right? That's how I was taught to think of it."



If this is how you're explaining it, then Jesus isn't God at all and what you were saying was totally wrong. Cuz the white of the egg isn't the shell. Unless it's like a really weird egg thing. Actually no, THE WHITE CAN'T BE THE SHELL GUYS, IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. Therefore, you just contradicted yourself. Jesus isn't God, he's a totally different part of the GIANT HOLY EGG THAT RULES THE FREAKING UNIVERSEEE WEEEEE WE PREACH TO AN EGGGGGGGG~~~~ :D:D:D:D:D



"And no, you can't kill God, but they killed Jesus because they didn't think he was the Son of God and 'cause they didn't like what he was preaching, basically."



Oh ya, I remember nao XD But still, coming back from the dead is ridiculous. Honestly, the story's still totally ridiculous. OKI, IM DA EGGSHELL, SO IMMA SEND MR. WHITE DOWN TO EARTH. OH NOES DA HUMANS NO LIKEY HIM, ALDJALKS DEY KILL HIM GAIS. GAIS. -waits three days for absolutely no reason- -comes back from dead- WEEEE MR. WHITE'S ALIVE AGAINNNNN. ...Wut.



"I'm not going to try and give you the whole story though, so here's where to find it if you haven't already read it: Mark 15:1-41, Matthew 27:11-56, Luke 22:66-23:49, and John 18:28-19:37. All of these tell of the same events, but from different perspectives (in other words, you don't have to read all of them to get the whole story)."



Ugh reading, I'll to it tomorrow or something.



"The reason Jesus was sent to die was because God loves us so much he forgave us. I know, I know, why would he kill his son to forgive people? Well, back then they had to sacrifice lambs as an offering. They had to select their best lambs, the spotless perfect ones."



Oki, 1) Why and 2) A lamb can't be perfect either.



"Someone had to die for our sins"



WHY, FREAKING WHY. Like, seriously "oh crap this guy lied OKAI HEY LET'S KILL (insert animal here) TO REPENT".



"and if God hadn't given us mercy, it would have been us."



Because doing something bad = immediate death penalty. W00T THAT TOTALLY MAKES PEOPLE WANNA CONVERT.



Read:



"And the 100% thing is hard to comprehend, I knows it."



It's not hard to comprehend, it's flipping impossible. You can't equal 200%. It's. Not. Possible.



"As one person not-quite-explained it to me, the Trinity is three "who's" (the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) and one "what" (divine, or, like, GOD). Jesus is one "who" and two "whats" (human and divine)."



Wut.



"That pretty much just makes things more confusing for me, though."



Ya, i would think so.

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm

> Reads post



> Is a bit tip.sy



> Therefore everything is funny



XD Sorry, here, I'll try to respond, but keep the above in mind :P

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm

Superhero:



"Wow, that was a historic moment in my life! :') That was the first time I've ever been quoted and debated."



Ya know what else? Probably the first time I quoted and debated with someone on religion XD YAY MILESTONES.



"Yes, we all have different views on 'Perfect', but I mean PERFECT!"



Cuz caps locks makes all the dif gais.



"I'm talking about His view of perfect"



That's exactly why he isn't all-around perfect. He's only perfect according on one definition, so calling him so-called perfect bothers me a lot, since it implies he's perfect in every way possible. When he 's NOT. >:-D <--- le nose, c'est genialllll~~~~



"Yeah, I didn't word that quite right."



And you're not gonna bother to try rewording it?

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm

"It's like an egg. (Sorry, this is an overused analogy) God the Father is the shell, The Son is the egg white, and The Holy Spirit is the yolk. They're all different, but they're all part of the egg right? That's how I was taught to think of it."



If this is how you're explaining it, then Jesus isn't God at all and what you were saying was totally wrong. Cuz the white of the egg isn't the shell. Unless it's like a really weird egg thing. Actually no, THE WHITE CAN'T BE THE SHELL GUYS, IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. Therefore, you just contradicted yourself. Jesus isn't God, he's a totally different part of the GIANT HOLY EGG THAT RULES THE FREAKING UNIVERSEEE WEEEEE WE PREACH TO AN EGGGGGGGG~~~~ :D:D:D:D:D



"And no, you can't kill God, but they killed Jesus because they didn't think he was the Son of God and 'cause they didn't like what he was preaching, basically."



Oh ya, I remember nao XD But still, coming back from the dead is ridiculous. Honestly, the story's still totally ridiculous. OKI, IM DA EGGSHELL, SO IMMA SEND MR. WHITE DOWN TO EARTH. OH NOES DA HUMANS NO LIKEY HIM, ALDJALKS DEY KILL HIM GAIS. GAIS. -waits three days for absolutely no reason- -comes back from dead- WEEEE MR. WHITE'S ALIVE AGAINNNNN. ...Wut.



"I'm not going to try and give you the whole story though, so here's where to find it if you haven't already read it: Mark 15:1-41, Matthew 27:11-56, Luke 22:66-23:49, and John 18:28-19:37. All of these tell of the same events, but from different perspectives (in other words, you don't have to read all of them to get the whole story)."



Ugh reading, I'll to it tomorrow or something.

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:54 pm

"The reason Jesus was sent to die was because God loves us so much he forgave us. I know, I know, why would he kill his son to forgive people? Well, back then they had to sacrifice lambs as an offering. They had to select their best lambs, the spotless perfect ones."



Oki, 1) Why and 2) A lamb can't be perfect either.



"Someone had to die for our sins"



WHY, FREAKING WHY. Like, seriously "oh cr.ap this guy lied OKAI HEY LET'S KILL (insert animal here) TO REPENT".



"and if God hadn't given us mercy, it would have been us."



Because doing something bad = immediate death penalty. W00T THAT TOTALLY MAKES PEOPLE WANNA CON.VERT.

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:54 pm

Read:



"And the 100% thing is hard to comprehend, I knows it."



It's not hard to comprehend, it's flipping impossible. You can't equal 200%. It's. Not. Possible.



"As one person not-quite-explained it to me, the Trinity is three "who's" (the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) and one "what" (divine, or, like, GOD).  Jesus is one "who" and two "whats" (human and divine)."



Wut.



"That pretty much just makes things more confusing for me, though."



Ya, i would think so.

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:55 pm

Sorry about spacing and multiple posts, it wouldn't go through so i split it up. And spacing's just weird >.>;

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:55 pm

"THE WHITE CAN'T BE THE SHELL GUYS"

But they're both white.

*long pause*

*evil smile*

O.O

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Aug. 26, 2013 at 11:07 pm

Actually, that's just me being punchy. I don't love the egg analogy myself. :P I heard this apple analogy once which was even worse.

Well...Anyways...I'm tired and I'll post my opinion tomorrow. :D

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KatsK replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 11:14 pm

The trinity. I like thinking of it like a shamrock. As the story goes, St. Patrick held up a shamrock and used it to teach the people who were imprisoning him, I believe, about God. Three parts, one whole. Green awesomeness. Also, the sacrifice was to show how they cared. It wasn't just a Jewish thing; Greeks and other people who I never learned about sacrificed food to their god(s). It's showing your devotion and respect and thanks. Now, God didn't need to give us any of that. We're his creation, and we're flawed. Mortally. He already gave us unconditional love, and the judges and prophets. He sent Jesus down to show His people what they should be like. And to fulfill the covenant, but I'm not going to get into that. He was showing how much he cared about us, that He'd give all he had just to help us be better, to help us be sinless.
That's about as much theology as I can handle for now, with a headache in 90-degree weather, but I can continue later.

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readaholicThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 11:25 pm

Regarding the egg analogy, the egg ITSELF it God, so yes, Jesus is God.  And emphasis on the "analogy", we do not worship an egg.
A part of the book "The Shack" (awesome :3) kind of explains better why Jesus died for our sins:
So, there's this father, and he's told that he must pick two of his daughters to go to heaven and two to go to he.ll.  He's extremely torn by this, he can't condemn his own children.  He asks if he can take his children's place so he doesn't have to condemn any.  The book itself is a lot better than my summary, but..yeah.  Imagining yourself in that scenario helps you understand Jesus's actions.
"Because doing soemthing bad = immediate death penalty..."
Ok, honestly, on a daily basis, we do things that we know aren't right and push God away.  These things individually do not warrant the death penalty, but combined?  Us constantly denying God, even though the very life we live is a gift from Him?...and this times the six billion people on earth, yes, I think that adds up to, at the very least, a death penalty.  And someone needed to take that punishment, but God couldn't bear to lose us, so He took it Himself.
I agree, I don't love the egg analogy, but you know what?  We're trying to explain the nature of the supreme creator of the universe.  Sorry if it doesn't fit into a nice little sentence regarding a common food item.

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 11:32 pm

"And emphasis on the "analogy", we do not worship an egg."
 
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
 
*wipes tears from eyes* hahahahahha too good man. 
 
I agree with Flo. While I agree that analogies are imperfect, in this case, it is not the analogy's fault. The concept of something being 100% human and 100% divine is contradictory. (In my opinion.) For instance. Humans = created. God = not created. That's a simple one. Humans = need sustenance [from God]. God = self-sustaining. 
 
I can understand something being beyond reason, but this is (again in my opinion) just unreasonable. Perhaps saying: "We do not know God's nature" would be enough. But "We do not know God's nature but here is a statement about it".. :/ 
 
"So there's this father, and he's told that he must pick two of his daughters to go to h.ell" 
I'm sorry that I'm being so critical, but in God's case, He could do any number of things:
 
a) He could not have created His children in the first place (after all, He has foreknowledge that they go to H.ell)
b) He could immediately end their existences, poof, they don't exist anymore 
 
Also, who or what is making God put people in H.ell? It's not like somoene is forcing Him to do it. It's not like it's incongruent with the rest of Him. It is part of His nature to be just. Wouldn't you agree? 
 
Cheers. XD
 
KK: 
 
I just looked up a shamrock. I did NOT know a clover was called a shamrock! WHAT WHO WHY?!?!? :O 
 
Also I hope your headache is better :( 

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 11:33 pm

AND WHO THE H.ECK IS RAINBOWS AND STORM CLOUDS? WHERE ARE ALL THESE NEWBS COMING FROM?!?!?! *Flies into a wild rage* :P jokes. but ya post about yourself in the Newbies thread! Ya newb.

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Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:56 am

^^Hehe. :D

Okay. Jesus is the Son of God, and my personal savior. ♥ I think readaholic is spot-on in his/her last post too.

Alrighty, so, yeah. I think that sums it up.

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readaholicThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:32 am

RandbowsandStormClouds:  I am a girl, by the way, and thank you!
Destinee:  Yeah, yeah, I know that "it's the nature of God' is a cop-out.  So please forgive me for going into more stuff I don't understand:
"He could have not created his children in the first place (after all, He has forknowledge that they go to H.ell"
While, yes, God is all-knowing, we also have free will, so things aren't pre-determined or "fated" to happen, so none of us are destined to go to H.ell.  This is confusing, but I personally think it has something to do with God existing outside of time.  (and here's where I apologize, because, yeah, I can't claim to comprehend existing outside of time).  And obviously this is in all ways a personal idea based on nothing but my desire to understand this, but I think it's like...For God, everything has happened, and all of time is laid out before Him.  So He knows everything.  But since he doesn't exist in time and have to do everything chronologically, He can do whatever He wants wants, and would know the outcome from doing so.  So, if He knows that one person will go to H.ell unless he does something, He can go down and do it.  And, again with the incomprehensible "outside of time" thing, this would mean that yes, God can know the future and we can have free will.  There is no "before" or "after" if there is no time, so God can know the decisions we will make before we make them.   ....talking about time makes my brain hurt X(

"who or what is making God put people in H.ell?  It's not like someone is forcing Him to do it."
Well, obviously we have free will.  If we didn't, we would just be like animals and couldn't have deep relationships with God, which is what he desires.  Because of this, we have the choice to either turn toward or away from God (and, obviously, He wants us to turn toward him).  As we are created by God, we are naturally happier when we are closer to him.  If we weren't, there would be no reason to turn toward Him.  In fact, no positive/negative consequences would make it impossible to know if we turned to or away from him.  In this way, there must be negative consequences for wrongdoing.

(Disclaimer:  I do not mean to say that following God makes every aspect of your life perfect, but it WILL bring you more happiness in the long run, though not necessarily pleasure in the short run)

And regarding H.ell specifically, I believe H.ell is simply a place without God's presence.  Again with the free will, God can't force us to love and accept him, so we are forced to go to H.ell.  If we didn't, we wouldn't have our free will.
And, really, wouldn't not existing anymore be at least close to H.ell, if not worse?  Regarding the father story, if I was being forced to make two of my daughters never exist instead of sending them to H.ell, I think my reaction would be just about the same.

(: * :)

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readaholicThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:33 am

((oh yeah, sorry, forgot the *.  I'm going back to add it now :3))

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 9:13 am

:O
 
My thread.....
 
Wow, I left when there was two posts, was gone barely a day, and then I come back and find two pages (which I'm ashamed to say I haven't even read all the way through).
 
Anyways, it's, like, seven in the morning for me so I'll have to go through everything and do a little commenting later when I'm more awake. :P
This discussion has been very interesting, though. I understand a lot better what you guys believe.
 
I'll post what I believe about Jesus soon, as well.
 
God bless. ♥

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TargonTheDragonThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:30 am

I would encourage anyone who is doubting Jesus to be who he claimed to be to read "the case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. 

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:35 am

^ a very good book

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Superhero_FanThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 12:59 pm

Targon and Jade: No way!!! I have that book! I haven't read it yet, but I did read 'Case for a Creator' by the same author.
Read and KK: Thanks for backing me up!
Half.note: Glad you think this is interesing. :)
 
Flo: Uhg, I have to actually quote you this time! Sorry again for the spacing, I'm on my tablet.
"Cuz caps lock makes all the dif gais."
I knew you were going to call me out on that! But at least I gave you a dictionary link.
"... It implies he's perfect in every way possible."
Actually, you just defined the 'perfect' I'm talking about. 
"When he's not!"
Could you give me an example?
"And you're not gonna bother to try to reword it?" 
Okay, so you said we're all children of God, and you asked what makes Jesus so special. Not exactly sure how to reword it...
"Everything Flo said about the egg analogy."
Hahaha! Flo, I didn't see that coming. Do you actually know what I was talking about, or were you seriously confused about that? I can't tell.
"Something about Mr. White and waiting three days to resurrect being rediculous."
The reason he waited three days was because Jesus had told his desciples that he'd rebuild the temple in three days. He was talking about himself when he said that. Okay, I don't have time to answer any of your other questions right now.
To everyone who cares: I'm leaving later today. I won't be back until Sunday, but I'all probably get on before we leave. :) *

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