I said in the "Catholicism" thread that I would go on a rant about the nature of Christ by starting a new thread, so here it is. :)
Before I start though, I just want to hear where you guys stand in your beliefs on Jesus (I mean, I probably already have a pretty good idea, but feel free to compile them here).
Christians and non-Christians alike are welcome.
Just say who you think Jesus is, his purpose, his nature (human or divine), or if you believe he even existed.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts. :)
God bless. ♥
Um... he's a glorified prophet o^o More or less, lol.
Jesus existed. He was a very influential preacher (or prophet or whatever), but he was not the son of God (as I doubt God exists) or the Messiah (as I don't tend to believe in Messiahs either)
You don't believe in Jesus? o.O
*realizes that she shouldn't be surprised*
Okay, I expected you'd say something like that.
Generally you have to believe in the Bible (and of course God) to believe in Jesus.
Oh, and once I finish my argument for the Bible (which I promise is coming!) I have a section in there about Jesus and the prophecies he fulfilled.
I feel really bad about taking so long to write up my argument, but I'll try to get it done by the beginning of next week. :)
God bless. ♥
Flo: Wow, Islam and you agree. lol.
I'd be interested in your definition of prophet. Islamically Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet & messenger of God, but I doubt that's what you mean by prophet... :)
If he did exist (and the evidence for it is not as strong as many claim), there's very little that can be said for sure about him anyways.
He's mah homie and a really nice dude, and oh yeah, my personal Savior, and God of the universe...
And also the guy who sits next to me in math class, but I don't think that's what you meant, somehow....
I TOTALLY believe in Jesus! He's the son of God, The Messiah, The King of Kings, and my Savior. I don't care what anyone else says about him, he'll always be my forever friend. :)
What they said. Fully human and fully divine, God's fullest revelation, the man who died so we could be freed from our sins, my personal bestie . . . The being I pray to and try to center life around? That answers your question, right?
See, I'm not as heathenish as I seem. :)
....see the above two threads? :) yup. Word of God, Prince of Peace, and I'm sure about ten million other titles.
Looking forward to your discussion, half.note :)
XD Dude, I'm sure he existed, and I'm sure he carried God's word and all that stuff, I'm just saying they make too big a deal outta him. Like, "omg, Jesus is the son of God, blah blah blah he was our savior, blah blah blah HE WAS FREAKING PERFECT." Okie, ya, 1) We're all technically God's children, I have no idea how that makes him special, 2) Prophet of god thing, srsly and 3) I seriously consider it impossible to be perfect.
That's cuz you're not god in the flesh, yo
Flo: the last thing you said was almost correct. See, when Adam and Eve sinned, they allowed evil to come into the earth. After that, all of us were born thinking bad was good just because that was our nature. But Jesus is the Son of God. God is perfect, He never makes any mistakes, He's God. The Son of God is perfect just like his Father because they're one and the same. You know Father, Spirit, and Son? They're all the same person. (Well, not person exactly, since the Holy Spirit isn't a person, and nether is God for that matter...) If you need biblical comfirmation of Jesus being sinless, read 2 Corinthians 5:21. Yes, technically we are all God's children, but that doesn't mean Jesus isn't. And about the prophet thing, well, I don't believe that. I read something just a minute ago that stated: "A prophet is a human being chosen by God to speak a message. Jesus IS GOD, not just a man chosen by God."
Hope that helped! (And we make such a big deal about him because, as many of us have previously stated, He's our Savior, our best friend, and our 'homie'. We make such a big deal out of Him because we love Him.)
lol Jade..but yeah, I agree. While we are all children of God, he is THE Son of God (Shift key used agressively here) and 100% god and 100% human and cool, understandable stuff like that :3
Okay, not to be the debbie downer here, but that's kinda creepy...
SDD: Creepy? Compared to some of the stuff in Revelation, that's nothing! Ever heard of the fiery lake of burning sulfur?
"God is perfect, He never makes any mistakes, He's God. The Son of God is perfect just like his Father because they're one and the same."
You can say he's perfect all you want... point is, since everyone's definition of perfect is different, he isn't perfect unless he somehow fulfills every different person's definition of perfect. Therefore, he's not 'perfect', he's just 'sinless according to the Bible". Ya, there's a difference. It annoys me.
"Yes, technically we are all God's children, but that doesn't mean Jesus isn't."
When did I say he wasn't?
"I read something just a minute ago that stated: 'A prophet is a human being chosen by God to speak a message."
Okai, that's true, but he's still similar to a prophet.
"Jesus IS GOD, not just a man chosen by God."
I. Don't. Get. This. There's like three things that are all God right? But they're all the /same/ God. Wat, are they clones? HOW DOES THAT WORK. Oki, we has God. Then we duplicate God. Now we has the one original God, whatever that freaking Holy Spirit thing is, and now let's take the third one, shove it in a human body, and then get other humans to like him and then not like him and then kill him CUZ HEY, THAT MAKES SENSE. But since he's "God" he shouldn't die, oh no we can't actually /kill/ God, so HEY LET'S REVIVE HIM FROM THE DEAD. WHY? CUZ WE CAN GAIS. CUZ WE CANNNN. Ya, Screw logic, God rules all.
Seriously, it's just the whole story's so freaking ridiculous, I can't believe it. I mean, I know it's God and he can technically do anything, but dude, in what way does that even make sense.
"While we are all children of God, he is THE Son of God (Shift key used agressively here)"
Still don't get what's so special.
"100% god and 100% human"
Because you can totally be 200% something, totally.
Flo: Wow, that was a historic moment in my life! :') That was the first time I've ever been quoted and debated. So here's my answers (Just remember I can't give you good answers on everything):
"Everything Flo put under the first quote that I said."
Yes, we all have different views on 'Perfect', but I mean PERFECT! God's the creator of the universe. I'm talking about His view of perfect, which isn't possible for me to describe.
htt p://w ww.merriam-webster.co m/dictionary/perfect
(look at the first definition)
"The second thing Flo said."
Yeah, I didn't word that quite right.
"Third and fourth things Flo said."
I never thought of it with clones. *laughs at analogy* It doesn't work like that though. It's like an egg. (Sorry, this is an overused analogy) God the Father is the shell, The Son is the egg white, and The Holy Spirit is the yolk. They're all different, but they're all part of the egg right? That's how I was taught to think of it. And no, you can't kill God, but they killed Jesus because they didn't think he was the Son of God and 'cause they didn't like what he was preaching, basically. 'Kay, I'm not going to try and give you the whole story though, so here's where to find it if you haven't already read it: Mark 15:1-41, Matthew 27:11-56, Luke 22:66-23:49, and John 18:28-19:37. All of these tell of the same events, but from different perspectives (in other words, you don't have to read all of them to get the whole story). The reason Jesus was sent to die was because God loves us so much he forgave us. I know, I know, why would he kill his son to forgive people? Well, back then they had to sacrifice lambs as an offering. They had to select their best lambs, the spotless perfect ones. Someone had to die for our sins, and if God hadn't given us mercy, it would have been us. Jesus was our perfect lamb. Hope that all made sense, and I'm fully expecting another question back. (Or two or three or four.) :)
(Sorry the spacing is off.)
Thanks, Superhero_Fan, my explanation was not optimal :)
And the 100% thing is hard to comprehend, I knows it. As one person not-quite-explained it to me, the Trinity is three "who's" (the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) and one "what" (divine, or, like, GOD). Jesus is one "who" and two "whats" (human and divine). That pretty much just makes things more confusing for me, though.