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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm

stuntdude:
 
You are slowly ruining this forum for me. You are rude, arrogant, and distasteful. I'm not sure exactly what your problem is, but if you don't have an intervention within the next year, I'll be ignoring your existence on this site from now on. If I return at all.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 12:47 am

Noooooooooo, Collin, stay! :P I really like your viewpoint on things, it'd be sad to see you go. Don't give up yet XD

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 1:21 am

stuntddude: I actually have to agree with Collin. As is evidenced by the strange lack of traffic on this site over the past week you (and I'm pretty sure its you) are running everyone off. I remember the first week on here when I made up the idea for the book precisely because I was so impressed by the civil way people here could discuss such intriguing and potentially divisive topics. It is certainly not that way now. I admit I have at times fallen into the same trap when agreeing with you and I am ashamed for those instances.
 
I would like to ask one final time for you to behave like a polite human being and to not continue making a forum I love (I'm even writing a college essay about how this is my favorite "place") unenjoyable.
 
I've tolerated you longer than I should have because I tend to agree with your views, but it has to stop. If you can't be polite I'd ask that you leave the forum. There are plenty of other places you can go to spew out rudeness and disrespect for other people's views.
 
If you refuse to do either of those I would like to propose that no one respond to or read stuntddude's posts.
 
Sorry if this harsh, but I have to agree that this has gone on long enough and your needless rudeness is completely uncalled for. (So I guess I'm really not sorry).
 
Anyone else who cares:
Oh, and for anyone interested I'm going to church tomorrow with my (fingers-crossed) potential girlfriend who happens to be extremely religious (odd I know). Anyway, there is a mildly interesting tidbit that people might find either amusing, intruiging or both.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 1:22 am

collin: Yes, please don't go. You and Destinee give my favorite arguments for religion out of anybody.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 1:29 am

Quantum: that's cool! Both that you're going to church and your potential girlfriend. Best of luck :P.


about the drama......I mean, I don't want stunt to go, but I also am sick of all this......I don't come on as often because I'm intimidated and often feel personally attacked. So yeah........as PB used to say, Shalom!

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 1:30 am

Oh and human, sorry for the spamming

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human6 replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 7:35 am

Collin don't go your awesome.

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm

*Sigh* Ok, I'll stay. :p Maybe stuntddude doesn't really mean what he says to be as rude as it seems anyways. Can't say I was never hot-headed. In fact, I kind of was last night. It was moderately called for, but still . . .
 
Anyways,
 
Quantum:
 
Hahahahahaha! Oh, man. Leave it to a woman to do what I can't. God has His ways, my friend. ;) What'd ya think of the church????!!!  

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 1:15 pm

I'm just curious which church- Baptist? Pentecostal? Catholic? Do you know the denomination?

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 1:16 pm

(I'm going to church today too, but I don't think anyone's quite as impressed with me. :)

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 7:05 pm

Collin:
 
"You are slowly ruining this forum for me."
 
Okay.
 
Quantum:
 
"If you refuse to do either of those I would like to propose that no one respond to or read stuntddude's posts."
 
I had a teacher once (a first-timer) who decided she would give the class the cold shoulder any time we misbehaved. It got old, quick. I didn't learn anything about history that year in school. Just an interesting anecdote.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 7:10 pm

Facepalm.



Facepalm!!!!!!

*deja vu*

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 8:37 pm

Ian: 
 
Maybe politics is religion posing by another name! :O 
 
There's no doubt that the two are intricately related, if not creedally then historically (like Christianity). 
 
But you really are only looking at the "church" aspect of religion, which is totally wrong. For instance, what about monasteries? Monks? Christianity is at its heart quite ascetic. Poltiics, notably, are not. lol.
 
To speak on the "nature" of something doesn't exactly make two things the same. Any philosophy has concepts of identity, nature, etc. But political philosophy differs from religious philosophy. 
 
Cheers.

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 8:37 pm

Aw d.arn it, someone got to the ignoring thing before me? I thought I was being original :( 

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 8:40 pm

And awwwwwwwwww I <3 you too Quantum. Hugs and kisses 4eva mwah mwah (I hope I didn't just make our relationship awkward). 
 
Also you're writing a college essay about us??? Sweet. Make sure to mention the classy Canadian brunette B) 

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 9:05 pm

When it eventually comes down to it, although "religion is just politics pretending to be something different" is an interesting line of rhetoric to follow, it's not actually true in any significant and non-obvious wat.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2013 at 11:48 pm

collin: "Hahahahahaha! Oh, man. Leave it to a woman to do what I can't. God has His ways, my friend. ;) What'd ya think of the church????!!!"
 
Haha. I won't lie that the fact I'm attracted to her helped encourage me to go.
 
And I must say it was by far the best experience I've had at a church. I was definitely impacted emotionally. Rationally though, no change...I felt very weird and conflicted afterwords though, like my logical mind was fighting with my instincts. Although, I tend to doubt my instincts as being a good judge of reality, so...
 
Imagine: "I'm just curious which church- Baptist? Pentecostal? Catholic? Do you know the denomination?"
 
It was nondenomenational - the closest one within walking distance of my boarding school.
 
"I'm going to church today too, but I don't think anyone's quite as impressed with me."
 
Nah. Probably not.
 
stunt: "I had a teacher once (a first-timer) who decided she would give the class the cold shoulder any time we misbehaved. It got old, quick. I didn't learn anything about history that year in school. Just an interesting anecdote."
 
Its not my job to teach you anything, so I don't really care. Plus education isn't a right, so I don't feel bad if being rude to people means they don't want to teach you.
 
Destinee: " Hugs and kisses 4eva mwah mwah"
 
Virtual hugs and kisses for you too. (And some cookies if you want them)
 
"(I hope I didn't just make our relationship awkward)."
 
Nah. We're good. 
  
"Also you're writing a college essay about us??? Sweet. Make sure to mention the classy Canadian brunette B)"
 
Yep. And I wouldn't dream of leaving her out :P 

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 1:04 am

"And I must say it was by far the best experience I've had at a church. I was definitely impacted emotionally. Rationally though, no change...I felt very weird and conflicted afterwords though, like my logical mind was fighting with my instincts. Although, I tend to doubt my instincts as being a good judge of reality, so..."
 
Story of my life! (With Christianity, haha.) 
 
You guys, I went to a Catholic memorial service! I know I shouldn't be excited about a memorial service (I didn't know that Catholicism had allowed cremation), but it was exciting to hear hymns and stuff. I absolutely adoreeeee Amazing Grace. That song speaks to me. 
 
In other news, I think that watching people have enormous ceremonies over drinking some wine and eating bread is a bit... dull... at least Islamic rituals seem purposeful. -_- (Sorry.) Plus I prefer the Islamic way of sitting on the ground over pews. The pew hurt my back man!! 
 
It was weird thinking that these people in church, their grandkids must be doing God knows what, believing in God knows what. Isn't that odd? Thinking that your generation is so different from the previous ones. The rate of change.
 
Also I think my neighbours count as Muslim.... lol they are/were Catholic/Lutheran (husband & wife) but both told me they didn't believe Jesus (pbuh) rose from the dead, and they think him being a prophet makes sense. I told my dad and he was so happy. Haha. 

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 7:34 am

"Plus education isn't a right, so I don't feel bad if being rude to people means they don't want to teach you."
 
LOL... someone doesn't understand the first thing about the school system.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 7:48 am

"LOL... someone doesn't understand the first thing about the school system."
 
1) The government give you a right to a school and teachers. Its up to you whether you actually learn.
2) And if we're talking about people not knowing about the school system (or more fundamentally how humans work) no one wants to do anything for people who are being rude to them. Teachers can't make you learn. They're just people. They're a resource for you. You can't just sit idly by and actually learn things.
 

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