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human6 posted this thread...
Aug. 18, 2013 at 5:25 pm

I see no difference between the catholic church or any church and a political party. They both exist to propogate an ideology and empower there members.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 18, 2013 at 6:46 pm

Well, there are some differences. Namely, political parties have to fight to get their candidates elected and churches can just do what they want.

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ImTired.This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 18, 2013 at 7:52 pm

Wat Edgy said. Plus, Churches usually follow some God thing you can't see. You can usually see the head of a political party.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Aug. 18, 2013 at 9:50 pm

Also, no political party that I know of cares about the eternal welfare of your soul.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 18, 2013 at 10:27 pm

>implying that churches do

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Bored.This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 18, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Bahahahahaha

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 22, 2013 at 8:07 pm

human6: 
 
Then that's because you haven't been to church enough. Religion and politics have some interplay, but their domains are not one and the same. It may simply seem this way because American churches have had a tendency to politicize since our nation's founding, but that does not equate church and political parties: it merely shows that Americans are massively practical people who have long felt that their beliefs about human welfare should play out in the political realm. Did William Wilberforce's religion draw him into politically working to end slavery in England? Yes. Was this all there was to Wilberforce's religion? Absolutely not.
 
Just think about it. All the best preachers are the least political ones. I'd listen to Timothy Keller over Pat Johnson any day of the week.
 
>Implying that churches do
 
The church is composed of those who make up the church, and I think I speak for both Imagine and myself when I say that was uncalled for.   

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 22, 2013 at 9:55 pm

It was absolutely called for on every level. It's a relevant point that was begging to be made.

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 22, 2013 at 10:33 pm

It was neither relevant nor true. I certainly care about the eternal welfare of every person I come across, and if you saw the average income for preachers I think you'd realize they obviously do as well . . .

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human6 replied...
Aug. 23, 2013 at 12:37 am

Political: view of the world as it is and how it should be and the nature of man
Religion: view of the world and how it should be.
A soup kitchen has implicit politics: the system is ok privilidged people just need to help out occasionally. A food not bombs kitchen has explicit politics: the system that spends on war while people are hungry is wrong. That's not to discount soup kitchens they do good work but they aren't apolitical, nothing really is.

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ContemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 23, 2013 at 11:21 am

"They both exist to propogate an ideology and empower there members." 
 
Isn't that... everything? Schools do that, buisnesses do that, families do that. I think a christian church is the least active in 'empowering a member'. But as for 'propogating there ideology', were guilty. :P

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human6 replied...
Aug. 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Businesses don't run schools or speak on the nature of society. There only goal is profit. A small town church sets the communities tempo, it is a social center and a place where people discuss life and organize there community. This is political activity. It is implicit politics but politics non the less. Like Boy Scouts they propagate a nationalist militarist politics. The apple pie image is political. As is patriotism

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ContemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm

Schools have teachers. Teachers teach facts and ideas. Students learn these facts and ideas. Therefore, schools promote certain ideas. Schools have a polotical system. They use this system to encourage students to study more. These methods are punishments and rewards, just like our own government.
 
Businesses have a similar goal. Inorder to have a larger profit, they advertise, or propogate there product. They empower there members on what we'd call the financial ladder.
 
I think its the same thing.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 23, 2013 at 7:03 pm

"It was neither relevant nor true."
 
It was both.
 
"I certainly care about the eternal welfare of every person I come across"
 
I never said you didn't, although I guess I'll say it now since it's also true: you do not genuinely care about the eternal welfare of every single person you ever come across.
 
"and if you saw the average income for preachers"
 
Preaching to people who already believe what you do: the easiest job in the world.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Aug. 23, 2013 at 8:53 pm

Collin: Yeah, you were definitely speaking for me... But I've given up trying to tell stuntddude anything (from "I don't like this TV show" to "These are my thoughts on souls" to "That was over the line.") 
It's only going to get worse from here.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 23, 2013 at 11:03 pm

"I've given up trying to tell stuntddude anything (from "That show is bad and you are bad for watching it" to "These are my thoughts on souls" to "That was over the line.")"
 
To be fair, if you had actually said "I don't like this TV show," I would never have even cared. But of course, you insist on playing the victim here even though you know I'll call you out on it. And I don't even know what the one about souls is referring to :/

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2013 at 12:37 am

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2013 at 12:37 am

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2013 at 12:58 am

...That's beautiful.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2013 at 1:08 am

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