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half.note posted this thread...
Aug. 10, 2013 at 8:33 pm

KatsK suggested I created a thread about this since we're discussing her beliefs in the "Catholicism" thread and she wanted to discuss mine.
Everyone's welcome, though.
Ask me questions about anything. The Sabbath. State of the dead. My views on h-ll. Ellen White's position as a prophet. Whatever.
I'm happy to answer anything and to discuss my beliefs. :)
God bless. ♥

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KatsK replied...
Aug. 10, 2013 at 8:38 pm

Hey, we agreed on something. :)
What are the basic tenents of SDA beliefs? What makes it different than other Christian (Protestant? I don't even know) denominations? Once I get a little background I could ask more specific questions, which might be helpful.

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half.note replied...
Aug. 11, 2013 at 1:48 am

Okie, I'll type up something tomorrow. :)
G'night and God bless. ♥

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half.note replied...
Aug. 13, 2013 at 11:18 pm

Okay, here it is finally:
Here's a link to our 28 Fundamental Beliefs that you can look over:
ht tp://w ww.adventist.o rg/beliefs/fundamental/
(And if you have the time, I’d recommend looking up at least a few of the scripture proofs that they give at the end of each Belief. Especially if it’s something you don’t agree with or aren’t sure about.)
But I'll also run you through the main differences that make us unique compared to most Protestant denominations (and, yes, we're a Protestant denomination :P).
The main difference is probably the Sabbath.
Most Christians keep Sunday as the Sabbath, but we keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath.
And when I say "keep the Sabbath" the definitions are very different for those who go to church on Sunday and those who go Saturday.
Sunday-keepers tend to just go to the church in the morning and not treat the whole day as holy. Some people will still go to the store or a movie in the afternoon.
Those who keep the Sabbath on Saturday really make it something special. It starts Friday night at sunset and ends Saturday at sunset. We go to church in the morning, but the whole day is a day of rest and dedicated to God. We don’t work or do business. We don't buy or sell. We don't watch secular TV or listen to secular music (a video of a sermon is okay and so are hymns and songs that draw your attention to God). Usually the afternoon is spent in fellowship with other believers (especially at lunch after church), spending time in nature (Sabbath walks are common), reading the Bible or Spirit of Prophecy (what we call Ellen White’s writings), catching up on needed rest, or attending Bible Studies. (And I love to sing hymns all day Saturday; it’s not quite a Sabbath without hymns, in my opinion. :P)
The day isn’t looked at as so much of a law or requirement as it is a blessing. :)
It gives us one day of the week set aside for only God. Each one is a physical and spiritual refreshing. And without, my dad says he never would have survived working 100+ hours a week when he started his business, and I don’t think I would be where I am today in my relationship with God.
The reasons we keep the Jewish Sabbath:
1. It's part of the Ten Commandments (but began at creation week)
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed: the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)
2. God says it is a "perpetual covenant"
"Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." (Exodus 31:16-17)
3. It separates us as people of God
“Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.” (Exodus 31:13)
4. God’s people will be keeping the Sabbath at the end of the world
“Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”  (Matthew 24:16-21)
Another unique doctrine of Adventism is our beliefs about the sanctuary and the Investigative Judgement.
It’s number 24 in the Fundamental Beliefs, and basically we believe that there is a heavenly sanctuary that the earthly sanctuary (built by the Israelites after their exodus from Egypt) was modelled after. Since 1844, Christ has been in the Most Holy Place of the sanctuary involved in the Investigative Judgement (review of those who died and who are living).
“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.” (Hebrews 8:1-5)
And, of course, we have a “modern day” (if you call the 1800’s “modern” :P) prophet: Ellen G. White.
Okay, that’s all I can think of for now.
I’ll try to post in the “Catholicism” thread tomorrow.
God bless. ♥

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KatsK replied...
Aug. 14, 2013 at 12:06 am

Mmkay, I get the sabbath stuff. I think that's a really cool idea.
Do you believe that humans have evolved, say, since creation?
Is EllenGWhite your only prophet, or the only trustworthy one, or just the one with the coolest name?
Also, what led your family to Adventism? It doesn't seem a widely-held beliefs-system, at least that I know of.
"In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days..." What? I don't understand this. Could you explain this?
If you hold the Bible as your only creed, why is Ellen G White such a big deal? Is her word infallible, based on Scripture though it may be? (Ooh, that was a tricky sentence.)
And why will Sat.an and his angels occupy Earth? Why is that necessary?
Do you celebrate the church seasons, then, as well? Because the dates are pagan-holidays based, as I'm sure you already knew, just in case you wanted to get technical.
I actually agree with more of that than I thought. We're not that different, I guess. Other than the whole Catholicism-isn't-good belief. And Ellen G. White and the comments I posted above. But really, other than that . . .

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stuntddude replied...
Aug. 14, 2013 at 4:30 am

"We don't watch secular TV or listen to secular music"
Wow... how do you truly relax without any music o.0 and why would music/TV not be permitted?

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half.note replied...
Aug. 20, 2013 at 12:46 am

Mmkay, I get the sabbath stuff. I think that's a really cool idea.
God is known for his cool ideas. ;)
Do you believe that humans have evolved, say, since creation?
Noooo. De-evolved is more like it.
Since I believe in literal creation I also believe in a literal Garden of Eden and literal Fall of Man (when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil). Since the Fall humans (and the planet) have become increasingly degraded by sin.
I think the only time that mankind was equally (or more sinful, I can’t remember) was before the Flood. God was forced to wipe out the antediluvians (pre-flood mankind) because of their sinfulness and only Noah and his family were spared. We have again degraded to a terrible state of sinfulness (as predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24:12) and soon Jesus will return and the wicked will once again my destroyed, this time for good.
And not only has our spirituality degraded, but also our physical and mental capabilities. According to Biblical genealogies, men lived much longer before the Flood than they did after. The Bible also describes the antediluvians as “giants” (Genesis 6:4) and Ellen White talks about it a lot, too.
Here’s some quotes you can look through: bit.ly/1eYFrbX
(Note: There’s quite a few pages if you want to read them all, but just the first few should give you a good idea.)
Okay, it’s getting rather late and I still have some things to do before bed, so I’ll try answering the rest tomorrow.
Oh, and I also found this video sermon that you should watch:
youtube.c om/watch?v=1PI5cq-ThVo
The sermon is by Doug Batchelor, probably one of the most well-known pastors and preachers in the Adventist church. He’s a great speaker and I pretty much grew up listening to his video sermons. :)
I’m only about 15 minutes into this video (it’s almost an hour), but I plan on watching the rest when I have the time.
Also, near the 10 minute mark, he also sort of touches on the answer to the “1844” and “2300 day” question you had. If you watch it and it still doesn’t make sense I can explain a little further.
Anyways, hopefully the video helps give you a good idea of what Adventism is all about. :)
I’ll get to your question soon. :)
God bless. ♥

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readaholic replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm

Sorry for piling on more questions, and for the most part just repeating other people's thoughts, but...yeah, the seventh day thing is really cool.  I love the idea of COMPLETELY dedicating everything to God, and honestly, I've always felt guilty about working on Sundays (darn McDonald's!).  Is there anyhting really stopping other religions from doing this (though, mine, personally, would be on Sunday)?  Because I would love to get in on this :3

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half.note replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 6:28 pm

The J-ws, of course, keep the seventh-day Sabbath, too. As well as some Protestant denominations.
I think keeping it on Sunday though is kind of missing part of the point, though. The Catholic Church changed the Sabbath from Satuday to Sunday. And the Sabbath is not only a blessing and a day of rest dedicated to God, but it also separates God's people from the rest of the world.
Oops, I have to go to driver's training in five minutes so I'll have to explain more (and find the Bible quotes I want) later.
God bless. ♥

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stuntddude replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm

"it also separates God's people from the rest of the world."
That doesn't sound very happy :(

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KatsK replied...
Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:22 pm

Stunt: Being set apart, at least in the Biblical sense, isn't a bad thing. It's just taking time out to focus on what matters (spending time with family, prayer, etc.). Plus, God calls his people to be set-apart in such ways, to be holy, countless times in the Bible. For example, all of Leviticus is dedicated to make sure that they keep their morals and follow God's law. Hopefully, His people then reflect this and spread the Word.
I know that was technically for half.note, but I figured I could respond well enough. She can add appropriate Bible verses if she wants.

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packerbacker12 replied...
Aug. 28, 2013 at 9:39 am

Half.note hasn't replied to you on the matter but i will.
"We don't watch secular tv or listen to secular music"
The reason is because on Sabbath our main focus is on Yahweh and dedicating the Day to Him, so se must keep ourselves from getting distracted by the world because then we are not focusing on Yahweh. and believe me when i say, i've screwed up A LOT on Sabbath:)
Shalom Aleichem!~PB:)

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half.note replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 7:21 pm

AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! *runs around in circles screaming*
I will get to this. I will. I really will.
If I don't get a post done by the end of the week just start bugging me about it, okay?
God bless. ♥

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Krian replied...
Sept. 4, 2013 at 10:06 pm

So, as you know, I'm an atheist, but this is currently unknown to my mom, who bought me a few books on the beliefs of SDAs. Anyone know anything about Ben Carson M.D.?

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Sept. 4, 2013 at 10:22 pm

I just read his book, Gifted Hands, a few weeks ago. It didn't really go into detail about his Adventism, but it did mention that he was SDA.

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Krian replied...
Sept. 4, 2013 at 10:29 pm

Yeah she got me that one. Worth reading?

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half.note replied...
Sept. 30, 2013 at 1:35 am

I shall post upon this thread later this week and finally catch up. :P

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