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readaholic replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 7:15 pm

half.note:  Just reading some of your earlier posts (when are they being published as the next great works of theology, by the way? :) ) and saw your comments on Original Sin.  Sorry for no specific questions, but..:S?  I guess I'm not quite sure what it is and how it fits in.

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KatsK replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm

Half.note: Okay, so .... Saints. I fully understand what you're saying. I believe you're overestimating the power that saints/Mary have in our faith. Yes, I might pray to them occasionally, but it's not like I consider them a substitute for God. I don't remember the last time I prayed to a saint.
At least in the early Church, people died for their faith, right? I'm sure some do still today. Many of the early saints were martyrs, which is one of the reasons we acknowledge them. They really tried to live like Christ, so we sort of honor that. They're role models, leaders for how we should act. Also, the quote "Just because a belief lasts a long time does not mean it is true" could totally be used against you, just sayin'.
Read: Yay, fellow Catholic! I think you represent the faith pretty well. Thanks for standing in for me.
In answer to your question, yes, the early Christians did practice the early version of Catholicism. I could go into details with conversions and all that to show how it happened, but I won't. At least right now. I'm actually taking a Church History course right now, so by the end of the year I should totally be able to speak on such things.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 8:06 pm

half.note... You do know that paganism is not just one religion, right? It's like Christianity. There are gazillions of different varietites/teachings/groups. The northern European pagans that influenced the Catholic church are not the same ones in central America that sacrificed people.
readaholic: I don't mind you asking, but I'm not one of them. :) Orthodox Christians are an entirely separate branch from Catholics and Protestants- they split off from the Catholic church almost a thousand years ago and are distinctly different from both groups. For example, they don't believe in a pope or have a single leader of their church, but they also reject the concept that you can be saved through faith alone. They use vaguely catholic rituals but agree with Protestants that Purgatory does not exist. And unlike either branch, they reject the notion of the Original Sin.
Unfortunately, they don't have a very strong presence in the US or most other western countries- some of the biggest groups are the Russain Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, or Egyptian Coptic. (If you've heard about the strife between Muslims and Christians in Egypt, the Christians involved are Orthodox.)

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KatsK replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 8:11 pm

Imagine: I was jst reading about Coptic Christians this morning. You read my mind. :)
Thank goodness for TIME. Rebel that I am, I read the news . . . During school.

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ContemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 8:28 pm

"Atleast in the early Church, people died for their faith, right? I'm sure some do still today"
This post isn't about catholicism. I just wanted to point out that the amount of christians in the 1st world countries are minute compared to 3rd world. Yes, there are a lot of other religions in the 3rd world, but there are a lot of people to. The christians in 3rd worlds are persecuted daily for their faith. These people live in countries that are hostile to christians! China, India, Tibet, Iraq, Mong. Hundreds of thousands of christians in these countries are being persecuted.

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KatsK replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 8:30 pm

*Just ... I'm not so good with iPad keyboards
Half.note: If you have the time and inclination, I've been reading Rediscovering Catholicism by Matthew Kelly, I believe, and it's written for ex-Catholics who are all bitter about the Church. Of course, as an already religious and spiritual person yourself, you would have a different take on it, but it helped me understand more of the faith. Plus the writing is very good and thus persuasive. Although I doubt you'd change your mind, it does provide further insight into the core beliefs of the Catholic Church.

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readaholic replied...
Aug. 26, 2013 at 10:41 pm

Imaginedangerous: Thank you for clearing that up!  If I haven't made this clear already, I"m just now getting into P&T and religious conversation in general, so I don't have a good grasp on other religions and the differences between it and my own.  Not asking anyone specifically about any specific religion, but if anyone is willing to share any nuggets of information concerning different religions, it would be much appreciated :)
KatsK:  I'm reading that book too!  A lot of it is good advice for Christians in general (at least in my eyes), especially the introduction (AMAZING).  

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half.note replied...
Sept. 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm

Another one that I promise to get to.
Thanks, guys, for your patience. :)
God bless. ♥

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half.note replied...
Sept. 8, 2013 at 11:13 pm

*bump* for moi.
I didn't realize how behind I was getting. I'll try to post here sometime this week.
God bless. ♥

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KatsK replied...
Sept. 8, 2013 at 11:24 pm

Oh, no, it's okay. :)
We can pretend I'm winning this one.
Seriously, though, it's okay that you've got a ton of other stuff going on. The rest of us do too. Or maybe everyone else isn't crazy-swamped every day. I wouldn't know. Anyway, take as long as you need to collect sufficient Biblical evidence to m.urder my slightly-paganistic beliefs. I look forward to your reply.
God bless to you as well.

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