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KatsKThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Aug. 9, 2013 at 12:10 am

If you have any questions, comments, or concerns about the Roman Catholic religion, I'lladdress it to the best of my abilities. I'm not the best at religious debate, as you already know, but ... *shrugs*

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 9, 2013 at 11:59 am

LOL, KK. Once I'm back in my philosophy swing you'll be sorry you asked.
*innocent smile*
 
I'll be back.....
 
God bless. ♥

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Aug. 9, 2013 at 1:53 pm

I've always wondered why Catholics pray to the Virgin Mary. She's not God (and I'm not necessarily questioning the validity of this practice) but I just wonder why you don't consider that....a bad thing (sorry I lost my train of thought :P). 
 
And if I've misunderstood anything about Catholicism, my apologies. I'm just curious, and regurgitating what I've heard.

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Aug. 10, 2013 at 11:44 am

Half.note: Oh, I know. That's why I started this, actually. I know you don't hold to some of my beliefs, and I yours, but if we're here, we might as well come to a mutual understanding, eh? Plus, I've recently realized that I only kinda know what SDA-ism actually is, so if you wanted to make a thread to clear that up, that would be great.
 
Jade: In this world, she's the only person who was sinless, and completely holy and dedicated to doing what God asked of her (other than Jesus :). I guess technically we do pray to her, but mostly, at least in my experience, it's just recognizing that she was a holy and devout follower of God and that she carried Jesus, and asking for guidance, so that we too can become holy. Ditto with the saints. It's not that we put them before God, by any means, but we realize that even though they were sinful and human and struggled with the same desires that we do, they chose to follow God's calling. Most of the people I know don't actually pray to the saints/ Mary for intercession, we just recognize them as ordinary humans living God's will, and therefore faith-centered role models that we can sort of ... look up to.  I'm pretty sure that makes sense. That might still sound like brainwashed BS, but if you want clarifications on anything, just let me know. And hey, no problem. I'm sure I've gotten a ton of facts wrong with other faiths/denominations, and wanting to know more is never a bad thing.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 10, 2013 at 2:21 pm

Kay, thanks :)

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Aug. 10, 2013 at 8:25 pm

KK:
 
Okay, sounds good. :)
 
To start off...
*sigh*
Well, I'm just going to be straight with you...
I am anti-Catholic.
No use sugar-coating it, it's the truth.
 
Now, I want you to understand: this doesn't mean I have anything against Catholic people, just the institution.
In fact, I go to a Catholic school (ironic, I know :P) so I know a lot of great Catholic people. But I still believe that the Catholic Church is paganism in a Christian disguise.
 
I'm hoping they won't, but some of the things I say may come across as harsh or rude, and I just want you to know that I really don't mean it to sound that way.
I have a great respect for you as a person and I don't mean to disrespect your personal beliefs in any way, only to present the truth as I understand it.
If you feel that I cross any lines at any time, just point it out.
 
 
First of all, I just want to present my views (and the majority of the SDA church's views) on Catholicism:
 
As I mentioned before, I don't believe the Catholic Church to be truly Christian.
Instead, Christianity was adapted to fit the Pagan system of beliefs (this was largely done by Emperor Constantine). Rather than having hundreds of gods, the Catholic Church instead uses saints as a replacement. The "God" that Catholics worship is not really the God of the Bible. I've literally heard Catholics say (on a couple of occasions) that God went through some kind of personality change between the Old and New Testaments. He was angry before and then suddenly He becomes loving (even though the Bible is clear that "God is Love" [1 John 4:8] and that He is unchanging since He contains "no variableness, neither shadow of turning." [James 1:17]).
 
 
Also, the Catholic Church is described in Bible Prophecy to be a continuation of Paganism.
 
God revealed to Daniel the major world powers that would rule to the end of the world.
 
Are you familiar with King Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel chapter 2?
 
In it, the King was given a dream of an image (statue) with a head of gold, breast and arms of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron, and his feet part iron and part clay (see Daniel 2:31-33). Daniel then interprets the dream (Daniel 2:36-44) saying that Nebuchadnezzar is the head of gold. And since he was the King of Babylon that means Babylon is the head of gold. Daniel then explains that the breast and arms of silver are a kingdom that will rise up after Babylon but will be inferior (which is Medo-Persia as revealed in Daniel 5:28 and 8:20). And so to with the belly and thighs of brass (which is Greece; see Daniel 8:21-22) and so on. Each part of the image represents a world kingdom that are a continuation of the one before, each one being inferior to the kingdom previous. And eventually Jesus returns and God sets up his Kingdom, thus destroying the reign of these earthly kingdoms (as exemplified by the stone “cut without hands” in Daniel 2:34-35).
I already explained that the head of gold was Babylon, the breast and arms of silver was Medo-Persia, and the belly and thighs of brass where Greece, but that stills leaves the legs of iron and the feet of iron and clay. While never specifically named in the Bible like Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, all the many characterizations of these two world powers match only two kingdoms in history: Pagan Rome and Papal Rome (aka, the Catholic Church).
 
I’ve bombarded you with a lot of information already so I’ll just let you process that, ask me some questions, and then I can go into more detail about the legs of iron/Pagan Rome and the feet of iron and clay/Papal Rome.
 
Oh, and here’s some links to help give you a visual of the image:
ht tp://w ww.ellenwhite.info/images/1843_chart.jpg  (This is a picture of the “1843 chart”, it explains the image and what it represents on the whole left side. Note: “Media and Persia” is just another way to say Medo-Persia and Grecia is just old English for Greece.)
ht tp://3elijahs.c om/charts/1850chart.jpg  (This is a picture of the “1850 chart”. The image is displayed in the top left corner. I wasn’t sure which chart would be clearer to you, so I’m linking you to both.)
 
 
Anyways, I don’t mean to bash your beliefs, I am here to learn, and would love to hear your views on Catholicism and why you believe it to be true.
 
Also, my sister and I have sometimes wondered about the Catholic view on the state of the dead, so it would be nice to hear your thoughts on that. We had always thought Catholics believed in purgatory and whatnot, but then some of the Catholics we know say that they believe that death is just sleep (which is the Adventist view). So, what do you believe happens to a person when they die?
 
And now I’m off to start a thread about Adventism, so you can question me about my beliefs, too. :)
 
God bless. ♥

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 10, 2013 at 8:27 pm

"In this world, she's the only person who was sinless, and completely holy and dedicated to doing what God asked of her (other than Jesus :). I guess technically we do pray to her, but mostly, at least in my experience, it's just recognizing that she was a holy and devout follower of God and that she carried Jesus, and asking for guidance, so that we too can become holy. Ditto with the saints."
 
I'm off to a Bible study so I'll have to comment on this later.
 
God bless. ♥

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KatsKThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 10, 2013 at 9:28 pm

Erm.... ouch? I was fine-er with that than I though I'd be, though.
 
Okay. *sighs* I'm hungry, so I'll keep this short.
"The God that Catholics worship isn't really the God of the Bible."
And how do you determine that, exactly? How would you know whether that is the same or a different God? What are the criteria for measuring such things? Anyway, from a biased standpoint (you said yourself that you're anti-Catholic), your view isn't the most objective.
"I've literally heard Catholics say that God went through a major personality change...."
And? I've heard people say Obama was the antichrist and a Mus.lim terro.rist, but that doesn't mean it's true, or that that's what most people believe. I thought we were trying to avoid judging the majority on the actions of a select few here. No, I don't believe that, and I do read the Bible, you know. *tosses hair half-indignantly, with a smile*
 
Actually, yes, I was familiar with King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Give me some credit, will you? :)
 
I'm not going to deny the allegations that the Catholic church has sometimes emphasized the wrong priorities, and mortal pleasures instead of heavenly ones, because it's true. So, basically, it's some weird, perve.rse, Satan.istic c.ult that I happen to be a part of, and that leads to the demise of the world. At least it leads to the greater good, right? (sarcastic)
 
I, ahem, am not in the best mood right now. I could discuss this later when my cat hasn't just (most likely) died.

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KatsKThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 10, 2013 at 11:49 pm

Update: Sorry, half.note: my last comment was .... not my finest. Thankfully, my cat is not dead, and most is well. I was really frustrated, and I apologize. Most of the time, I'm not quite so tempermental.
 
I don't really know what Catholics believe about an afterlife. I mean, obviously, heaven. Other than that, though... I mean, there's the purgatory idea, but there's also the part of the Mass right before the consecration where the priest says, ".... those who have fallen asleep in the hope of rising again." I don't think it's very clear-cut.
 
Hmmm. Wikipedia says that immediately upon dy.ing, each person gets judged, and then sent to their respective afterlife. I agree that people aren't predestined to He.ll and that people can repent at any time before they die.
 
Other than dividing various denominations, though, does the amount of time really matter, between immediate judgment and souls sleeping until Jesus rises again? I mean, I suppose you'd say that yours is more theologically correct, because it probably is. I suppose the problem I have with debating this sort of thing is because at the end of the day, we don't actually know for sure, and it doesn't seem to really matter. If we're just trying to live each day through God, then does it really matter if I believe something earnestly that's totally incorrect? Religious debates can be good, and can further understanding, which is always good, but in God's eyes, how much does religious legalism really matter?
 
I guess I don't really know what I personally believe on the matter.
 
Wait, half.note, is your commenting on this thread a commentary on the evils/misguided ways of Catholicism or attempted evangelizing?

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Aug. 11, 2013 at 1:35 am

No need to be sorry, KK. I know what it's like to lose (or in your case: almost lose) a pet. :(
 
Like I said in the "Chat/Announcements" thread: you guys are in prayers.
 
Anyways, it's getting late so I'll answer you tomorrow (hopefully bright and early).
 
I'm sorry if my post was a slap in the face.
I really and truly do not mean any disrespect, I can't emphasize that enough. Too often are Adventists accused of hating Catholics simply because of the views we hold on the Catholic Church.
 
I'll try to get some more verses together and some Ellen White quotes, so that even if you don't agree with me you can still see the reasons for my beliefs.
 
 
"Wait, half.note, is your commenting on this thread a commentary on the evils/misguided ways of Catholicusm or attempted evangelizing?"
 
Both. ;)
 
Haha.
God bless, KK. ♥♥

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 11, 2013 at 4:14 am

"Rather than having hundreds of gods, the Catholic Church instead uses saints as a replacement."
 
LOL... she JUST explained, in her past post before yours, that saints were not in any way a replacement for God.

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Aug. 11, 2013 at 4:19 am

Okay, for a straight question though, what the heck is the deal with communion wafers? I've heard a lot of crazy and contradictory things about the whole situation from different people. Can I just have the low-down on those dang communion wafers!? XD

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 11, 2013 at 2:42 pm

KK:

" "The God that Catholics worship isn't really the God of the Bible."
And how do you determine that, exactly? How would you know whether that is the same or a different God? What are the criteria for measuring such things? Anyway, from a biased standpoint (you said yourself that you're anti-Catholic), your view isn't the most objective."

I guess I just meant that the Catholic views on God and His nature are so different from that of the Bible that He's not really the same one.
In a sense, pretty much all religions have a different God because of their beliefs about who He is and how they worship Him.

And yes, I am anti-Catholic, but that does not mean my view is not objective.
That's like saying that just because someone is against abortion that all their opinions on the subject are biased.
I am anti-Catholic because of the evidence I have seen to support this belief, not the other way around.
And maybe you could say this if I was a bigot and hated all Catholics for no reason, but I'm not. I have many good, unbiased reasons to believe what I do about the Catholic Church.


"I've literally heard Catholics say that God went through a major personality change...."

And? I've heard people say Obama was the antichrist and a Mus.lim terro.rist, but that doesn't mean it's true, or that that's what most people believe. I thought we were trying to avoid judging the majority on the actions of a select few here. No, I don't believe that, and I do read the Bible, you know. *tosses hair half-indignantly, with a smile*

Sorry, I suppose I spoke too hastily. I didn’t mean to accuse all Catholics of believing this.
My point was that there are Catholics (and more than just the “select few” from what I’ve seen) that don’t really understand God or the Bible. I know you’re not like that, KK, but I do go to a Catholic school so I know a lot of Catholics that are.

From what I’ve seen most Catholics are just nominal Christians (and not just Catholics, some Protestants, too). They profess to be Christians, but they know very little about their Bible and don’t even make an effort to follow God.
A perfect example: One of my friends (and my locker neighbour last year) just recently got Confirmed in the Catholic Church, yet she had never even heard of The Flood and Noah until I explained it to her. She’s a sweet girl and she honestly did seem interested in religion when I talked about it, but she doesn’t really know even the most basic Biblical stories or principles or make an effort to search for herself.
Are all Catholics like this? Of course not, but I’ve met enough of them to know that they are out there.


Actually, yes, I was familiar with King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Give me some credit, will you? :)

*hands KK some credit* :)


I don't really know what Catholics believe about an afterlife. I mean, obviously, heaven. Other than that, though... I mean, there's the purgatory idea, but there's also the part of the Mass right before the consecration where the priest says, ".... those who have fallen asleep in the hope of rising again." I don't think it's very clear-cut.

Hmm, that’s the impression I got, too: that it’s not very clear-cut.
I guess with… what? A billion Catholics? There are bound to be many conflicting views. :P


Hmmm. Wikipedia says that immediately upon dy.ing, each person gets judged, and then sent to their respective afterlife. I agree that people aren't predestined to He.ll and that people can repent at any time before they die.

Yeah, I think that’s the official Catholic position on it.
I looked it up and found a Catholic website that spoke on this topic. It even quotes from the Catechism, so it looks pretty legit to me: bit.ly/161mxze


Other than dividing various denominations, though, does the amount of time really matter, between immediate judgment and souls sleeping until Jesus rises again? I mean, I suppose you'd say that yours is more theologically correct, because it probably is. I suppose the problem I have with debating this sort of thing is because at the end of the day, we don't actually know for sure, and it doesn't seem to really matter. If we're just trying to live each day through God, then does it really matter if I believe something earnestly that's totally incorrect? Religious debates can be good, and can further understanding, which is always good, but in God's eyes, how much does religious legalism really matter?

Okay, I’m just going to go through this bit by bit:

Other than dividing various denominations, though, does the amount of time really matter, between immediate judgment and souls sleeping until Jesus rises again?
It does matter. The Bible talks about it a lot so it must be important. And how can we spread the Truth of Jesus if we don’t even know what the Bibles teaches or what happens when someone dies?

I mean, I suppose you'd say that yours is more theologically correct, because it probably is.
Then shouldn’t you study it out and try to discover the truth?

I suppose the problem I have with debating this sort of thing is because at the end of the day, we don't actually know for sure, and it doesn't seem to really matter.
There’s no reason for us not to know. The Bible is very clear.
Sure, it takes a little faith, but God gives us sufficient evidence to believe.
Also, it does matter because what happens to us after we die and how God judges us goes really far in revealing the character of God.
Quantum has told me that my views on h-ll being a final destruction of the wicked are more in line with a Loving and Fair God. It is important to know these things, not just for our own sake and relationship with God, but also for those we are trying to witness to.

If we're just trying to live each day through God, then does it really matter if I believe something earnestly that's totally incorrect?
Yes, it does matter. Living each day through God means trying to discover the truth. We have the means so there is no reason for us to not search. We are not to stay in error because it ultimately undermines our relationship with Christ who is Truth.
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Religious debates can be good, and can further understanding, which is always good, but in God's eyes, how much does religious legalism really matter?
It’s funny you would use the word “legalism” because that is what Adventists are accused of whenever we are just trying to obey God.
And now let’s think about God for a moment:
He knows and cares about even the smallest details: “Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.” (Matthew 10:29-30)
Jesus, when he rose from the dead, took the time to fold his graveclothes: “So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.” (John 20:4-7)

I would also appreciate it if you could just read this short chapter by Ellen White. She explains it well:
ht tp://w ww.whiteestate.o rg/message/littlethings.asp

And truth about the afterlife is not even something little. It is very important, as I already said. The whole Bible is all about God’s plan of salvation to save us from sin, what happens to us after we die is a very big part of this and we should seek the truth.


Okay, I’ll leave it at that for now, but maybe later today or tomorrow I will start to go through how some of the Catholic teachings contradict the Bible.
I also hope to eventually talk about Catholicism and the tie to sun worship. I find that all really interesting.

Anyways, hopefully I was respectful in presenting my ideas. I don’t mean to offend you and I apologize if I do.

God bless. ♥

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Aug. 11, 2013 at 2:45 pm

KK:
 
" "The God that Catholics worship isn't really the God of the Bible."
And how do you determine that, exactly? How would you know whether that is the same or a different God? What are the criteria for measuring such things? Anyway, from a biased standpoint (you said yourself that you're anti-Catholic), your view isn't the most objective."
 
I guess I just meant that the Catholic views on God and His nature are so different from that of the Bible that He's not really the same one.
In a sense, pretty much all religions have a different God because of their beliefs about who He is and how they worship Him.
 
And yes, I am anti-Catholic, but that does not mean my view is not objective.
That's like saying that just because someone is against ab.ortion that all their opinions on the subject are biased.
I am anti-Catholic because of the evidence I have seen to support this belief, not the other way around.
And maybe you could say this if I was a bi.got and hated all Catholics for no reason, but I'm not. I have many good, unbiased reasons to believe what I do about the Catholic Church.
 
 
"I've literally heard Catholics say that God went through a major personality change...."

And? I've heard people say Obama was the antichrist and a Mus.lim terro.rist, but that doesn't mean it's true, or that that's what most people believe. I thought we were trying to avoid judging the majority on the actions of a select few here. No, I don't believe that, and I do read the Bible, you know. *tosses hair half-indignantly, with a smile*
 
Sorry, I suppose I spoke too hastily. I didn’t mean to accuse all Catholics of believing this.
My point was that there are Catholics (and more than just the “select few” from what I’ve seen) that don’t really understand God or the Bible. I know you’re not like that, KK, but I do go to a Catholic school so I know a lot of Catholics that are.
 
From what I’ve seen most Catholics are just nominal Christians (and not just Catholics, some Protestants, too). They profess to be Christians, but they know very little about their Bible and don’t even make an effort to follow God.
A perfect example: One of my friends (and my locker neighbour last year) just recently got Confirmed in the Catholic Church, yet she had never even heard of The Flood and Noah until I explained it to her. She’s a sweet girl and she honestly did seem interested in religion when I talked about it, but she doesn’t really know even the most basic Biblical stories or principles or make an effort to search for herself.
Are all Catholics like this? Of course not, but I’ve met enough of them to know that they are out there.
 
 
Actually, yes, I was familiar with King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Give me some credit, will you? :)
 
*hands KK some credit*  :)
 
 
I don't really know what Catholics believe about an afterlife. I mean, obviously, heaven. Other than that, though... I mean, there's the purgatory idea, but there's also the part of the Mass right before the consecration where the priest says, ".... those who have fallen asleep in the hope of rising again." I don't think it's very clear-cut.
 
Hmm, that’s the impression I got, too: that it’s not very clear-cut.
I guess with… what? A billion Catholics? There are bound to be many conflicting views. :P
 
 
Hmmm. Wikipedia says that immediately upon dy.ing, each person gets judged, and then sent to their respective afterlife. I agree that people aren't predestined to He.ll and that people can repent at any time before they die.
 
Yeah, I think that’s the official Catholic position on it.
I looked it up and found a Catholic website that spoke on this topic. It even quotes from the Catechism, so it looks pretty legit to me: bit.ly/161mxze
 
 
Other than dividing various denominations, though, does the amount of time really matter, between immediate judgment and souls sleeping until Jesus rises again? I mean, I suppose you'd say that yours is more theologically correct, because it probably is. I suppose the problem I have with debating this sort of thing is because at the end of the day, we don't actually know for sure, and it doesn't seem to really matter. If we're just trying to live each day through God, then does it really matter if I believe something earnestly that's totally incorrect? Religious debates can be good, and can further understanding, which is always good, but in God's eyes, how much does religious legalism really matter?
 
Okay, I’m just going to go through this bit by bit:
 
Other than dividing various denominations, though, does the amount of time really matter, between immediate judgment and souls sleeping until Jesus rises again?
It does matter. The Bible talks about it a lot so it must be important. And how can we spread the Truth of Jesus if we don’t even know what the Bibles teaches or what happens when someone dies?
 
I mean, I suppose you'd say that yours is more theologically correct, because it probably is.
Then shouldn’t you study it out and try to discover the truth?
 
I suppose the problem I have with debating this sort of thing is because at the end of the day, we don't actually know for sure, and it doesn't seem to really matter.
There’s no reason for us not to know. The Bible is very clear.
Sure, it takes a little faith, but God gives us sufficient evidence to believe.
Also, it does matter because what happens to us after we die and how God judges us goes really far in revealing the character of God.
Quantum has told me that my views on h-ll being a final destruction of the wicked are more in line with a Loving and Fair God. It is important to know these things, not just for our own sake and relationship with God, but also for those we are trying to witness to.
 
If we're just trying to live each day through God, then does it really matter if I believe something earnestly that's totally incorrect?
Yes, it does matter. Living each day through God means trying to discover the truth. We have the means so there is no reason for us to not search. We are not to stay in error because it ultimately undermines our relationship with Christ who is Truth.
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
 
Religious debates can be good, and can further understanding, which is always good, but in God's eyes, how much does religious legalism really matter?
It’s funny you would use the word “legalism” because that is what Adventists are accused of whenever we are just trying to obey God.
And now let’s think about God for a moment:
He knows and cares about even the smallest details: “Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.” (Matthew 10:29-30)
Jesus, when he rose from the dead, took the time to fold his graveclothes: “So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.” (John 20:4-7)
 
I would also appreciate it if you could just read this short chapter by Ellen White. She explains it well:
ht tp://w ww.whiteestate.o rg/message/littlethings.asp
 
And truth about the afterlife is not even something little. It is very important, as I already said. The whole Bible is all about God’s plan of salvation to save us from sin, what happens to us after we die is a very big part of this and we should seek the truth.
 
 
Okay, I’ll leave it at that for now, but maybe later today or tomorrow I will start to go through how some of the Catholic teachings contradict the Bible.
I also hope to eventually talk about Catholicism and the tie to sun worship. I find that all really interesting.
 
Anyways, hopefully I was respectful in presenting my ideas. I don’t mean to offend you and I apologize if I do.
 
God bless. ♥

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Aug. 11, 2013 at 2:46 pm

stunt:
 
I'm off to a baby shower, but I'll reply later.
 
God bless. ♥

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Aug. 11, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Hey, mind if i but in? just like Jade, i have a question. and seriously, i am just curious, not trying to offend, but, how do you believe Mary to be perfect, and sinless, when there are verses in the bible like "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God?"
 
purely curious...

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KatsKThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 11, 2013 at 6:26 pm

All right, half.note first. *rolls up sleeves*
Thanks for the prayers, and my cat's doing as well as can be expected.
"There are Catholics ... nominal Christian etc."
That's true. I know that personally. In my community, there are a lot of those, generally because their parents are Catholics and going along with the religion is easier, and I live in a pretty Catholic town. I mean, it's named after a saint, and there are as many Catholic as public elementary schools, so.... A lot of the time it's more of a convenience thing, I suppose.
I agree, too, that they aren't true Christians.  If one doesn't try to find God (or whatever deity) in everday life, using the sacred scripture from their religion, they can't have a real relationship with their God, no matter what religion they may call themselves.
 
I'd think that no matter the religion, those who are true Christians are different. Anyone can call themselves anything, and affiliate with a religious center, but it's your actions that show the meaning behind your words. After all, Jesus' disciples are supposed to be holy, set apart from the rest.
 
In my experience, that hasn't always been the case, and that's to be expected. There have been Catholics who've been bad representatives of Christ and who didn't really care about religion one way or the other, and I know that. But from my experience, those who are truly religious make an effort to study and pray and get further in their relationship with God, no matter what their religion is and what others who say they're part of that religion do or don't do. (Sorry, I'm long-winded today. Not just you now. :)
 
I read all that you said about death and the Bible's stance on it and truth and everything. I understand your position on it more now, which is good, as that's a key part of a belief system. But how do you know that I'm wrong about immediate judgement? If there are Scripture passages that support both ideas, or at least interpretations that lead to different ideas, how do you know which God really wants us to believe? Is there like a sixth sense, or .... (totally joking :-)
 
 
 
 
I also read the chapter by Ellen G. White, which I agree with. Being faithful in little things and serving Him: not much I can argue with there. If there's anything I missed, which I'm sure I did ....
 
stunt: I don't really know what the deal with communion wafers is. I mean, it's the celebration of the Eucharist (when Jesus had his Last Supper, bread and wine, "this is the chalice of my blood" etc). Do you mean what is it made of, or why it's such a big deal? They're made of wheat, although you can get gluten-free hosts available, like if you have celiac disease, and they taste rather like cardboard. I have no idea where they're manufactured, but anyways ....
 We believe that it's actually the body and blood of Christ entering us when we partake in the eucharist, as his apostles did thousands of years ago. While other denominations believe it's a symbol, we believe it's the real thing, which sounds insane, but as a spiritual thing, it's pretty cool.
(I must sound so brainwashed to you right now. Religion is crazy.)
 
Targon: Hey, no problem. Seriously. Curiosity doesn't offend me, especially because I know that some of my beliefs aren't exactly mainstream. I'll get back to you later tonight sometime, but right now I've got to go to dinner. :)
 
If anyone wants clarifications, let me know.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 12, 2013 at 4:15 am

Um... if you'll pardon my obnoxious empiricism, how do you believe the wafers turn into the body of Christ? As in, by what process do they become Christ out of just being wafers? What happens to make them transition? And at what point does it happen?

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 12, 2013 at 4:18 am

It's symbolism. It's the remembrance of the crucifixion and resurrection. 

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 12, 2013 at 4:25 am

oh, and sorry for answering her question, but i use communion wafers too XD

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