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Science-and-ProgressThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 3:40 pm

Because if I put abo.rtion up in the title, there's have to be a period in it and that looks stupid lol.
 
Yeah, this is probably gonna turn religious, oh well.
 
Either way, the topic should be pretty obvious.
 
As for my views, basically pro-choice. The whole 20 week thing's a myth btw: it's actually 24 weeks according to most books, but it kinda wavers between 18-29 weeks. But the 20 week thing till you shouldn't ab.ort seem's decent to me. I really don't think you should wait too long.
 
HOWEVER, don't pass a freaking law to ban the thing. Even if it's past like, 20 weeks or whatever, cuz then people are just gonna try to do it illegally and unsafely. You're basically just making the whole thing unsafe and not even stopping the whole process anyways.
 
The government should not be meddling in this sort of stuff. At that age the fetus, or even if you want to think of it as a child, has its lives' hands in their mother. It's their mother right to decide at that point. You honestly can't do anything about that. The fetus is pretty much helpless and if the mum wants to ab.ort it, she can.
 
Have fun with the filters guys.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 4:17 pm

I'm personally pro-life (with some exceptions), but politically pro-choice because I think the government should stay out of this.

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Jul. 9, 2013 at 4:25 pm

Makes sense. I honestly don't care if you're pro chioce or pro life as long as you're with me that the government shouldn't meddle in this kinda stuff.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 7:14 pm

Pro-life.
The sixth commandment: "Thou shalt not kill." (|Exodus 20:13)
 
Also, adoption is a perfectly viable option that I think should be encouraged instead of a.bortion. There are a lot of couples out there who can't have kids and have to wait years to become parents because of the lack of availability of babies to adopt.
 
Anyways, didn't we already have this discussion?
ht tp://teenink.c om/forums?act=post&topic_id=19&thread_id=75318&page=3
 
God bless. ♥

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 8:16 pm

Yeah....we did.

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Jul. 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm

Yup, but this is mainly the result of me being super bored lol. And plus, I still don't see adoption as the best solution e.e;

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Jul. 9, 2013 at 9:12 pm

half.note, what were the numbers of people wanting to adopt again?

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 9:22 pm

pro-life                                      

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JulietTiernan replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 9:29 pm

Honestly the whole concept of “pro-choice” to me seems like a flipping lie. Choice means you get to decide, well so many girls are taking this as a way out, not a choice. All that the idea of pro-choice and plan parenthood do, is tell people that they can go do whatever they want, and if they end up with the “problem” (which is a stupid thing to call a kid btw) all they have to do is go get rid of it. AKA kill a baby.
Science-and-progress: yeah the government should leave this alone cause this isn`t political this is someone`s life we`re talking about. And why don`t you think adoption is the best solution?

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 9:34 pm

Flo: In 2002 in the U.S. 716,000 women were seeking to adopt and 479,000 were taking steps to adopt.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 11:46 pm

Interesting Juliet. I don't like the pro-choice vs pro-life title because it implies that one is a choice while the other isn't. They are both choices. Also, you can be pro-choice and choose to keep your child anyway (even if it was not planned).
 
I'm pro-choice. I'd hate to ab.ort. Like I would find it really difficult due to the whole potential of a human being kind of thing, but if I had extenuating circumstances I would. But I'd much rather be safe about se.x than run the risk of unwanted pre.gnancy. Prevention is better than, to put it bluntly, damage control. That said, this doesn't cover areas like ra.pe, or medical disorders/complications.
 
As for the whole idea, rather than my personal choice, I agree with Quantum. The government should stay out of it and let the people choose for themselves.

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Jul. 10, 2013 at 12:25 am

Juliet: Call me Flo, and I honestly don't know. I was just thinking about it randomly and something seemed off.



half.note: Ugh... 2002? I don't have accurate numbers after 1997 e.e; The US stopped reporting for all fifty states after 1997 for some reason...



Let's just assume a million abo.rtions a year, that sounds reasonable. So with a law passed, unwanted pregnancies drop... 15%? Okay. Then that leaves 850,000 babies. Then let's say out of these 1 in 3 mothers choose to keep their baby anyways. So about... 567,000 babies. That's... pretty optimistic, I think.



Okay, um... the only number I can find is that there's about 3.3 seekers per actual adoption e.e; I guess I'll just use that. So that leaves us with... basically 500,000 people still childless (technically 499,030, but whatever).



500,000 adopters. 567,000 adoptees.



..... wat. HALF.NOTE HALP MEH I NEED MOAR NUMBERSSSSS ;^; I'm like half guessing right now.

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Jul. 10, 2013 at 12:27 am

Juliet: Call me Flo, and I honestly don't know. I was just thinking about it randomly and something seemed off.



half.note: Ugh... 2002? I don't have accurate numbers after 1997 e.e; The US stopped reporting for all fifty states after 1997 for some reason...



Let's just assume a million a.bo.rti.ons a year, that sounds reasonable. So with a law passed, unwanted pre.gna.ncies drop... 15%? Okay. Then that leaves 850,000 babies. Then let's say out of these 1 in 3 mothers choose to keep their baby anyways. So about... 567,000 babies. That's... pretty optimistic, I think.



Okay, um... the only number I can find is that there's about 3.3 seekers per actual adopt.ion e.e; I guess I'll just use that. So that leaves us with... basically 500,000 people still child.less (technically 499,030, but whatever).



500,000 adopters. 567,000 adop.tees.



..... wat. HALF.NOTE HALP MEH I NEED MOAR NUMBERSSSSS ;^; I'm like half guessing right now.

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Jul. 10, 2013 at 12:28 am

REALLY. REALLY. e.e; I just threw periods in there randomly cuz it wouldn't post >.>

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 9:23 am

Flo:
 
Okay, maybe this link will be helpful:
https://w ww.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/statistics/adoption.cfm
 
I got my numbers from pg. 39 on the first pdf link that says "Adoption Experiences of Women and Men and Demand for Children to Adopt by Women 18-44 Years of Age in the United States, 2002"
 
 
Everyone:
 
Pretty much everyone has said that they believe the goverment should stay out of a.bortion, but I disagree.
 
Normally I'd be all for government minding their own business. I'm against heavy regulations and Crown Corporations and whatnot.
 
But a.bortion is essentially murder.
Should the government stay out of murder, too?
Should they stop preventing people from killing each other?

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 2:47 pm

I'm curious, half.note, are you in favor of heavy gun regulation?

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 4:29 pm

stuntddude:
Honestly, I don't really know a lot about the issue, but as a general principle: no, I am not in favour of heavy gun regulations. In my opinion, the government shouldn't get involved in things like that.

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Jul. 10, 2013 at 7:41 pm

sdfkjsdlkf that whole doc confuses me e.e; I'll get to it eventually....

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 8:08 pm

So you believe the government should get involved to save lives where it involves fe.tuses that don't yet have to ability to feel pain, but not where it concerns regulating dangerous weapons designed for murder.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 9:38 pm

Actually, I should get my best friend on this thread. She's pro-choice and really good at arguing it...without religion.

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