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Izuo.This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 1:11 pm

This thread is on human limits. Feel free to discuss this subject... Etc. Etc. 
 
What are our human limits and can we overcome them? Consider questions such as those...

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 1:21 pm

We evolved to survive not to understand things, so it can make understanding the world around us really hard unless we focus on being objective and logical. Religion/faith is a good example of something that makes sense evolutionarily, but isn't all that helpful for understanding the universe. (Ugh....I don't want to make this a religious thread - people can respond once to this comment, but I won't reply so that way we can discuss other things related to human limits)

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Izuo.This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 1:42 pm

Well Quantum that was a pretty good start... 

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Jul. 9, 2013 at 3:00 pm

looool XD But as for humans limits... well the human body has limits that vary depending on the person, and also the mental capacity has the same thing. There are some big things we can probably never do such as confirm the existence of God or have any sort of 100% certainty, and blah blah blah blah blah. Kinda depends what kind of limits you're asking for.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm

I'd say most of our limits are mental, rather than physical though. As an athlete I know it very, very rarely that you are forced to quit a physical activity because of insurmountable physical exhaustion - its always mental.

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Jul. 9, 2013 at 4:27 pm

Well yeah, but there's still a mental limit and a physical limit. It's just that the mental limit's usually lower than the physical one.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm

Agreed.
 

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Jul. 9, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Actually wait... I realize that made no sense. Nvm.

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Jul. 9, 2013 at 4:29 pm

XD You agreed with a statement that doesn't exactly make sense lol. Well... I guess it makes a little sense, I dunno. Blah.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 7:24 pm

Sorry, I just have to share an Ellen White quote here (don't worry, it doesn't really have to do with God). I was just reading it today and it's really applicable:
 
"The influence of the mind on the body, as well as of the body on the mind, should be emphasized. The electric power of the brain, promoted by mental activity, vitalizes the whole system, and is thus an invaluable aid in resisting disease. This should be made plain. The power of the will and the importance of self-control, both in the preservation and in the recovery of health, the depressing and even ruinous effect of anger, discontent, selfishness, or impurity, and, on the other hand, the marvelous life-giving power to be found in cheerfulness, unselfishness, gratitude, should also be shown."
[Education, pg. 197]
 
That was an excerpt from the chapter "Study of Physiology." She talks about how the physical and mental aspects are interconnected. To limit one is to limit the other.
 
God bless. ♥

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm

That's a great quote, half.note. I couldn't agree more. I think the mind and body are much more similar and interconnected than we think.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 8:29 pm

^ Well, thanks. :)
I didn't expect that reaction.... :P
 
Ellen White always stresses the importance of physical health to improve mental health, and vice versa.
 
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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 8:54 pm

Just because Ellen White (and you) don't share my religious views doesn't mean everything she says is worthless. I actually think when taken figuratively or as stories meant to tell lessons many religious writings bring up some great points.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm

I understand that, it's just that usually when I quote Ellen White I can hear crickets chirping... XD

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Jul. 10, 2013 at 12:45 am

lol that quote actually sums up why i was trying to retract my last statement pretty well.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 12:58 am

I disagree. The mental factors that stop you from performing some physical are not really limitations. With a bit of adrenaline you can easily do much better. I'd call them "inhibitions" rather than "limitations" -- in a life-or-death situation, a person can readily throw them aside and push their body fully to its physical limits. As you mentioned, we evolved to survive, and it's best for our survival that we don't push our limits when we don't need to, but I don't think we're limited in that way, only inhibited.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 7:36 am

Fair enough - that is what I meant, but your way of explaining it is much more precise.

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GreekGoddessThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 10:19 pm

We are limited to only what we think we are limited to. There are physical limits yes, but our brain tricks us way way more often than you or anyone really relises. The harder you push, the farther the object moves right? Same with your brain, but it depends on the person too. Some people just can't do as much of one thing as anouther.
Okay, this is my opion, don't beat me down!

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half.note replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 11:27 pm

^ I agree.
For example, if someone is really sick and they believe they aren't going to get better, they probably won't. But if they have hope that they will recover then they probably will.
 
 
On a somewhat unrelated note, you may be interested to know that there is a direct relation between physical and emotional pain.
More specifically, when people are recovering from past traumas, often they will experience emotional pain as physical pain.
 
This happened in the case of my step-mom. She was abused and neglected by her parents as a child and has recently been trying to recover. She has been experiencing pain in her leg, which my dad explained was actually a manifestation of her emotional pain because it is easier to deal with.
 
I thought that that was very interesting (if not somewhat baffling...).
 
 
Also, my dad has a theory that bitterness causes cancer. He says that if you harbour anger or resentment that it adversely effects your immune system and makes you more susceptible to cancerogens.
 
The Bible seem to support this idea:
"There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin." (Psalm 38:3)
 
I think it seems likely considering the close connection between the mind and the body...
Just something to think about next time you want to hold a grudge. :)
 
God bless. ♥

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12, 2013 at 12:30 am

Yeah. When my mom was training to be a doctor she got mono, but supposedly she said she didn't have time to be sick and she got better within a couple days.

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