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Jul. 10, 2013 at 7:33 pm

Stunt:
 
God logic: GOD MADE IT, SO IT'S PRETTY, EVEN IF I DON'T THINK IT'S PRETTY.
 
//shot/
 
No but seriously, some things are probably  objectionally beautiful, however whether they're beautiful to you is fully dependent on you.

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ContemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 9:07 pm

What Science-and-progress said. It isn't really a biblical thing because it isn't (to my knowledge) talked about in the scriptures. But I realised that with the right veiw of things, everything is beautiful. 
 
I consider myself a patron of the arts. There is so much beauty in the world, including, nature, cities, paintings, movies, acting, clowns, balloons, laughter, crying, hunger and food. Its all so beautiful.
 
"Its designed to do what it does do, what it does do it does do fine"
-Buddy Davis

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 10:37 pm

That doesn't answer my question.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 10:56 pm

So a mangled dead animal is beautiful? (not to be graphic)

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Jul. 11, 2013 at 12:40 am

XDD You guys are failing to understand. Take a religious stance for a moment; your God is the almighty, he created everything, and every he created is beautiful. Why? Because he created it himself. It's as simple as that. When you worship someone anything and everything they do or make will be considered good or beautiful or anything positive. To the people who don't worship him, it may not. However, from the worshipper's standpoint, everything is beautiful because God made it, and that's all there is to it.
 
... isoundsocheezyhelpme.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 1:04 am

Well said, Flo.  ^u^
But shocking coming from you...  :o

XD

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Jul. 11, 2013 at 1:55 am

Wat. Dude, I believe in God. I just dont do all the go-to-church-and-read-the-bible stuff.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 8:54 am

I guess I get it, but...ugh - that sort of blind faith is kind of scary to me. I know He's God, not a person, but still I can't think when I would ever leave my own ideas of what is right and wrong, beautiful or ugly at the door. I guess it explains religious wars...

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 9:27 am

^ It's not "blind faith."
 
Oh gosh, I really need to post my argument for the Bible soon, that way you can see the reasons for our faith. Maybe I'll try to get it done this weekend...
 
God bless. ♥

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 11:47 am

It doesn't explain religious wars. I really just dislike that claim. 

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 1:25 pm

Sorry, but I think it makes sense. If you believe you are doing God's will and whatever He wills is good and beautiful it can let you do a lot of awful things without guilt. I'm not saying everyone is like this, but that sort of sentiment is defintiely the root of these things.

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 1:35 pm

If you think your own will is right and it isn't,, the same thing can result. 

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 1:35 pm

Also: 
 
"I'm not saying everyone is like this, but that sort of sentiment is defintiely the root of these things."
 
[citation needed] 
 
:D I like doing that.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 2:44 pm

"If you believe you are doing God's will and whatever He wills is good and beautiful it can let you do a lot of awful things without guilt."
 
The exact same thing could be said for anybody or anything.
It wasn't God's will for the Crusades or other religious wars, so you can't pin it on him.
And so what if the people thought they were doing his will, Hitler and the N.azis thought they were doing a good thing when they killed the J.ews.
That is man's choices and actions, not God's.
 
Sorry that was rushed, I'll clarify later if you have questions. Gotta go.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 2:47 pm

I'm not saying it is God's will. But I'm saying the people believing in something so strongly that they will put aside normal human perceptions of things is dangerous.
 
You're right its not limited to religious people, but at least I consider my thoughts and feelings and those of societies to be of supreme import - with my version of morality and beauty if would be harder to convince myself of things.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Oh...and before Destinee says: free will is a human perception you're putting aside:
 
a) I don't use it in my day to day life to justify anything - I operate as if I free will
b) I don't have a 100% faith that I'm right about us not having free will because (like God) it is impossible to know (for now anyway)

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zander101 replied...
Jul. 11, 2013 at 10:26 pm

I think that beauty is not subjective at all
I think that all beauty is in diferent stages to some people.
but, (and i am not going off on some religious thing.)
I think that if God made it, it has been or is beautiful.
if you are a girl who is confused on beauty,
maybe your over weight or maybe your not the way you think you should be.
you are still beautiful to me because your beautiful to God, no questions asked.
and guys:
if God says He loves you it realy doesent matter how cool you are, I love you ( not in a wierd way )
because your my brothers.
hope that makes sence

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12, 2013 at 4:23 am

"Why? Because he created it himself. It's as simple as that."
 
But this type of argument rests on first having proven both that a God exists, that his intent is always perfectly carried out, and that his intent is to make everything beautiful. That's an incredibly lofty claim, and as it stands a reductio ad absurdum response is still a perfectly valid one.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12, 2013 at 4:26 am

"It wasn't God's will for the Crusades or other religious wars, so you can't pin it on him."
 
You're right, it wasn't God's will, it was only what otherwise morally sensible people were utterly convinced was God's will.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12, 2013 at 8:17 am

Also, this made me think of something else. Why do (many) theists pin everything good that happens on God, but everything bad that happens on humanity?

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