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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 11:20 am

Here's another non-religious topic for discussion. Is beauty objective? Subjective? Some of each?
 
On a related note physics theories are often described as "beautiful" and are sometimes evaluated on this criteria. (String theory and relativity are usually considered beautiful theories) Should this be avoided?

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 11:47 am

I would say physical beauty is subjective. But there's other beauty that we all seem to agree on. Like a kind person will always be beautiful no matter what he/she looks like.

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DynamoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 11:49 am

Some of each.
The nature of beauty is subjective; its expression is objective.
And I think physical theories should be better appropriated as "awesome" rather than beautiful.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm

What do you mean? I was thinking along the lines of "The nature of beauty is objective but it's expression is subjective".

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DynamoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 12:12 pm

Is the expression of beauty subjective? 

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 12:36 pm

That's what I just said...
 
Subjective: Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
Expression: The process of making known one's thoughts or feelings.
 
Objective: Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.
Nature:The fundumental, unchanging qualities of an object.

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DynamoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 12:39 pm

Your definitions are not up to scale. :P
At the most, the nature of the object is not some stagnant, fixed entity. What is your nature? (I'm defining nature in terms of temperament and a lot of other things here)

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ContemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 12:46 pm

I can bring religion in here. Easy >:)
 
Everything is beautiful, we just don't see it that way. I have a saying which actually pretty popular in my circle of friends. 
"All girls are beautiful. Just some are more beautiful in the dark than others." - Contemplator
 
Lol, just quoted myself.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 12:51 pm

Well, I'm not sure what you're talking about then, Dynamo :/
And I'm not in a mood to argue semantics, so why don't we all just write out the long definitions of whatever words we want to use, as some of us have different definitions for the same word.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm

We do know that regardless of culture, symmetry in faces is taken to be (physically) beautiful.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 1:31 pm

^^which is objective

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 2:21 pm

"I can bring religion in here."
 
NO! I CAN'T HANDLE THIS!
 
Quantum:
 
Unfortunately for some people like myself, you can have really great symmetry and still turn out butt-ugly. Oh well.
 
 
 
There are, undeniably, objective qualities about beauty. The fact that humans percieve it is an objective truth. It's objectively true that people tend to see smooth/shiny things as beautiful. etc.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 2:30 pm

""All girls are beautiful. Just some are more beautiful in the dark than others." - Contemplator"
 
Btw...what exactly does this mean...

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The-Pervert-of-PTThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm

I swear if someone brings religion in here I will leave...
 
As for the question, I say beauty is subjective. Like honestly, I'm actually really bad at telling what people are pretty and whatnot... for me everyone is pretty average, if I don't like you you become uglier, and if I like you more you become more beautiful. I'm not even kidding about this, I see like supermodels on tv and though I can recognize all the things that supposedly make the person "beautiful", they still look pretty normal to me.
 
And Stunt, you said "tend to", basically implying there are exceptions, and that means that being shiny isn't a free pass to being beautiful.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 2:54 pm

Yes, but there is a clear objective correlation there.

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The-Pervert-of-PTThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 2:58 pm

Eh... wat? o^o

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm

Correlation means two things are related, but there could be exceptions (think of a scatter plot of shininess vs. percieved beauty - there would be a trend that shiny things are percieved as more beautiful, but it wouldn't be an exact curve and there would probably be some outliers)

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Yes.

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The-Pervert-of-PTThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 3:19 pm

Ohhhh.... okai. I'm stupid, sorry ^^; But I guess that makes sense. I wonder why that is then...

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 7:41 pm

Please can I bring religion in here?
*pouts*
Pretty please?
 
(If not, I'll just create my own thread... I was thinking about creating one on this topic anyway...)

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