Stuntddude: That is a really great video. I couldn't agree more. I think that a strong space program is a vital part of the future for both the human race and the United States. I don't think the power of that can be underestimated.
No, liberty is not justice of the majority. The majority will have the minority locked up and take away last freedom they have if it suits them. Ultimately, everyone is part of one minority or another, so nobody benefits from that kind of social tyranny.
I think you mean it can't be overestimated ;)
why is it that we live in a society where the amount of magic paper you have determines how well you live, or if you live at all?
because people want more "magic paper". The more one has, the more that is readily available to them. That is if magic ;paper is money.
"Magic paper" is an odd but interestingly accurate way to describe it. On its own, a five dollar bill has no value. The value isn't in the bill but in the minds of the people exchanging it.
Also, to half.note: Even if you're not personally interested in space exploration, shouldn't you still cede that it boosts the economy? Or are you not concerned with the economy either? :/
stuntddude: Uh...yeah. That's what I meant. Who cares about saying things properly, though? All you need it for is expressing your ideas coherently anyway ; )
human6: As for why "magic paper" is, its because everyone decided it is and it is easier to trade paper than to barter with actual items because you'd find someone with what you want who also wants one of your items. Plus, paying with huge bulky things wouuld be pretty inconvienient.
The fact that it's so magically all-in-your-head is what makes it such great currency. The people making the exchanges are the ones who need it to have value, might as well let them figure out the price on their own.
I was asking how such a society just. Regardless of wether any alternative to capitalism exists, capitalism is evil.
Why can't we all just freely share the produce of society. Right now we have the productive ability to end world hunger, but instead of we'll being for all we choose profits for the few.
Um, yeah... have fun working out those logistics.
"Regardless of wether any alternative to capitalism exists..."
This is silly. We are operating in the real, imperfect world here. Yes, capitalism is not perfect. But it is the best we got. It plays on human nature to give people incentives to create succesful production of the goods people need and want.
"Why can't we all just freely share the produce of society"
Because not everyone contributes the same amount. And people would have no incentives to do anything. We're talking real life here, not idealology.
Have you ever done a group project for school? I hate them because I end up doing all the work so it gets done well and then everyone gets the same grade. Communism etc. makes it worse than that by making that same grade be a C rather than an A. See my point?
As far as my political beliefs go, I'm a moderate conservative. I think that the government should regulate the economy but try to avoid massive participation. I'm very conservative on some social issues (I'm opposed to g.ay marriage and abo.rtion) but liberal on others (I'm like immigration and gun control.) There are some things I'm in favor of (like space exploration and environmental protection) but don't think should be high on our priority list (compared to, say, the impending Social Security disaster or immigration reform). I don't like the far right wing of the Republican party or the Democratic party as a whole.
It's ok if your white middle class and live in the first world
You may be right - I admit to have limited perspective as I am a member of the white middle class in the first world. However, based purely on the numbers I can't think of an economy that has done better than the United States - even our poor are not nearly as bad off as those in other places. Obviously some other economies around the world are going strong too, and they are all capitalist at least to a degree (even China - which started becoming much more economically successful once it started leaning more capitalist).
China is based on state capitalism, no? And Saudi Arabia is remarkably well off (although a lot of illegal immigrants come). And the 2008 financial crisis didn't hit places like Pakistan, which is much poorer than the US, as much, partially because Pakistan doesn't have a culture of mortgages. There is that sort of stuff to consider too.
As for economies, the US is steeped in debt, wiith no foreseeable solution to the crisis, so ya... I mean, I'm sure my life would be great too if I could borrow an endless amount of money from people without ever having to pay it back...
Most developed countries are steeped in debt right about now.
And, I know at least one forseeable solution to the country's economic problems: reboot the space program.
Destinee: I didn't say it was perfect. I'm arguing for capitalism as being the best (imperfect) solution in an imperfect world.
The best form of government is an absolute monarchy. With me in charge.
looool leafy, dont you kinda already have that back at the random chat forum? XD