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human6 posted this thread...
Jul. 1, 2013 at 1:36 pm

1. Farewell to the International Brigades speech by Dolores Ibarruri

2 the photo of the moon landing

3 the Paris Commune

4 firefighters
5. Hope

The human spirit removes the need for the crutch of god.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 1, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Hmm, human. Are you anti-god for any logical reason? Just curious. You seem to me to have this innate loathing of him without any particular reason.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm

"Anti-god" is inaccurate. I can't claim to speak for anyone else, but at least for me, and I suspect for Human as well, I am "anti-god" the way I am "anti-fairy."

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 1, 2013 at 5:23 pm

You don't go out of your way to disprove faries, do you? In fact, I don't think you'd even care if someone believed in faries.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 1, 2013 at 6:21 pm

I would care, that's where you're simply wrong. I care about what's true, and I care about promoting the truth, and I care about promoting critical thinking to lead people to truth. The reason I don't go out of my way to dissuade people of their belief in fairies is simply that so few people actually believe in fairies. Also, belief in fairies, to my knowledge, isn't causing any major violence, wars, poverty, violation of human rights, etc.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 12:20 am

But that's anti-god? If you blame wars and poverty and what not on god, and you go out of your way to stop them, that means you are anti-god. But whatever, it doesn't really matter to me right now. You go believe what you want to, and I'll do my own thing.

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 12:43 am

Secularist countries caused the most violence in the 20th century for purely secular reasons... 

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 12:45 am

And it's just really too much to claim that religions are causing poverty. I mean, there has got to be a limit to the silliness, not to mention undemonstrability, of the accusations you can make against religion. 
 
human: 
 
I don't understand how the moon landing makes you a humanist.. you realise that your sense of "human spirit" can't be justified without some sort of spiritual-esque religious belief, right? 

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 12:58 am

"And it's just really too much to claim that religions are causing poverty. I mean, there has got to be a limit to the silliness, not to mention undemonstrability, of the accusations you can make against religion."
 
I wasn't going to mention that, but now that you do...
Seriously, stuntddude? Really?

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:31 am

"You go believe what you want to, and I'll do my own thing."
 
Fine! See if I care! Gosh! *flips hair dramatically*
 
"Secularist countries caused the most violence in the 20th century for purely secular reasons..."
 
[citation needed]
 
Also, wait, are you seriously equating secular reasons with religious reasons? You do realize secular reasons would be *any* reasons that aren't religious, right? Ditto with secular countries -- that's any country not based on religion. How many times have I gone over this already?
 
"And it's just really too much to claim that religions are causing poverty."
 
"Too much"? I didn't know you were the supreme arbiter of how much honesty was "too much."
 
"I mean, there has got to be a limit to the silliness, not to mention undemonstrability,"
 
Not demonstrable, you say? Wanna bet?

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 7:20 am

BTW, if I were to make a similar list, this would have to be in it:
 
ht tp://youtu.be/AvAnfi8WpVE

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human6 replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 1:43 pm

I view the concept of god as neither good nor bad, however in the west it becomes a crutch. For example instead of actually helping people you pray for them to get better, when what is really needed is action by human beings.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When I see human spirit I mean the drive to build, grow and develop that is uniquilly human. The moon landing is the ultimate expression of this, we went to the moon with just our knowledge and gumption (I can't believe I said that). 

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Okay, human. Okay stuntddude :P

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human6 replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 8:11 pm

thats not very helpful.

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 3, 2013 at 2:06 pm

stuntddude: 
 
Also, wait, are you seriously equating secular reasons with religious reasons? You do realize secular reasons would be *any* reasons that aren't religious, right? Ditto with secular countries -- that's any country not based on religion. How many times have I gone over this already? 
 
Exactly. And I said "secularist countries" not "secular" which is different and "secular" reasons. 
 
As for the rest of the stuff, look up the secular 20th cent stuff, I hate citing stuff, and ya I'd be interested in the sources saying religion is causing poverty
 
Ian: 
 
Praying and action are not mutually exclusive. You can and should do both.
 
I get you on the human spirit thing. Wouldn't you say a religious spirit is also "uniquely" human?
 
Cheers.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 3, 2013 at 2:28 pm

Normally I don't do grudge match type stuff like this, but... did you really just tell me "look it up" when I asked you for sources and then ask me for sources on what I'd said. Hey, if "just look it up because I'm too lazy to cite stuff" is apparently good enough for me, it should be good enough for you, as well.
 
 

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Sorry it's cuz I tend to learn most of my stuff from books or magazines, and finding the books is hard and I don't often remember the names. It's okay. I don't need/care that much about your source :) Cheers. 

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human6 replied...
Jul. 3, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Being uniquely human isn't always good. Armed warfare is unequally human.

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Destinee replied...
Jul. 4, 2013 at 12:50 am

I agree. So how are you distinguishing things being good from bad, if something being "uniquely human" isn't enough to warrant something being good?

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zander101 replied...
Jul. 5, 2013 at 12:24 pm

Human-
you say God is a crutch, that " we pray for people to be healed"
yes we do then we go and give them what they need when we can.
also you realy sound like your suporting a religion in itself.
and actualu armed warfare is not the problem.
what the problem is:
people are alwase wanting to take things away from each other, we have the right to defend ourselves.
if everyone was a " good person" we would have no wars.
" we went to the moon with just our knowlege and guumption"
what does this have to do with God being neither a good nore bad idea?
even stuntdude has a real opinion on this matter.
you are making wild accusations about the western sivilization also
where are you from?
because where i come from we help our naughbor and still pray for them.
after we sweat all day in the sun to get them what we can, then as we get ready for bed.
we pray, and ask God to bless the next day of work to help that person.
firefighters;
they are people that care enugh to risk there lives to save others form normaly there own stupidity.
sometimes just forces of nature.
but all the same you said " human spirit removes the need for the crutch of God "
wrong spririt itself  refers to something with perpose.
"... resilution determination, spririted resolve..."
thats the dictionary talking not me.
these words go together, so how can you say that our " ...spirited resolve..."
shows there is no need for God?
actualy you just made absolutely no argument for your cause or beliefs.
i am not a pro but you made it easy to refute what you said.
you sound like you have been listening to a tape and quoting it over and over.
please explain to me why you think that " ...human spirit romoves the need for the crutch of God..."
and actualy anti God is a realy good way to sum up that statement, its not suportive, its soul perpose is to..
break down peoples beliefs.
hope ive not been rude to much but as a christian american i have to say something.
thanks.
 
 
 
 

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