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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 7:22 am

PB
 
"Is anyone else having the problem that the reply box won't move by click and drag anymore?"
 
Yes. It's frustrating.
 
"In the states 8 years(full time) in college is literally is a doctorate degree. So anyone who gets that degree can actually be called a doctor."
 
Oooooh. Yeah, we have a similar system for non-medical degrees here. I think you have to do a PhD here to get the "doctor" title without being an MD.
 
Glad to hear your friendship sounds pretty healthy. As for the jealously thing, it's actually pretty normal. There's a bunch of reasons why she might feel that way, but the best way to know for sure is to ask her. And even if it's an irrational reason, it's a pretty common thing to feel.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 7:33 am

half.note
 
"Did you ever tell her that you were attracted to her?"
 
No. I didn't know what it even was that I was feeling until after we stopped being friends. In my mind, I was straight. I didn't get the concept of romantic attraction and so what I was feeling didn't make sense to me like it does now.
 
"Do you guys still talk?"
 
No. We were incredibly close in early high school. She had some mental health issues and I didn't quite get what was going on (which is ironic now) and I pushed too much. It got draining for her and at the end of grade 10 she very cruelly pushed me out of her life. I mean it when I say she was cruel. It was pretty awful. That's what triggered my depression.
 
We started talking again a couple of years later, but it was... unhealthy.
 
"Are you feelings for her gone?"
 
I feel... detached from her. The simple answer to your question is yes. Sometimes I feel like I still love a memory of her, but I'm not in love with her anymore. Does that make sense?

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 7:45 am

I should really read all the posts I've missed before I reply :P
 
PB
 
"OMG, if any one of y'all that plays the piano wants a challenge try learning All Of Me by Jon Schmidt, this is single handely above and beyond anything I have ever tried to learn."
 
Please, please, please someone do this! Such an amazing song. half.note, let me know if you do end up covering it.
 
As for how to go about suggesting things to your crush (is that an appropriate word, or would you like me to rephrase it?), I think it really depends on what she's comfortable with. Obviously you don't want to push, so there's a line there.
 
Uhhhh, maybe mention things like how you'll always be there to support her and other things on that same line of thought? Like, things you can provide? It's hard because I don't know specifics. And let her know that you care about her and she's important to you. And tell her things that you love about her (in words she's comfortable with, of course).
 
Just some suggestions. Knowing someone cares for you and has your best interests in mind can be a powerful thing.
 
All in all, it's a pretty difficult situation when someone doesn't return your feelings. I hope it all works out for the both of you. I've been on the other end of this, so if you get confused about something, feel free to ask me. I may be able to offer some insight.

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Guise replied...
yesterday at 10:09 am

@half.note
It's mainly the production although I'm definitely being baised here as Modest Mouse also has some pretty raw production. "Song Against S-x" was probably my favorite on the album and the rest of the songs aren't bad by any stretch, but some of them feel very--what's the proper word--blasting? The instruments can sometimes get scratchy (and that's what I meant by "going overboard crazy"). I think On Avery Island is an acquired taste, and with every successive listen, I'm warming up to it.
 
No problem, that happens to everyone. :) Do you have any recommended tracks by Broken Bells though? You seem very passionate about them, so you must have some favorites and if I ever get into a band, I always want to start with a fan's favorite. Oh, and I'd love to know what you think about MM once you check them out. If you've heard any song by them, chances are it'll be "Float On" or "Dashboard". The former got extensive radio airplay some years back and was nominated for a Grammy.
 
I just looked up Mother Mother. Whoa. How is this band not turning the world over with their music?!? They have some of the freshest songs I've heard, and yet they retain the poppy, catchy element. And there's something else in how they layer the vocals; it sounds almost ethereal. The chorus of "Infinitesimal" is earworm material, and the way the vocals rise and swell and drop so wildly--lovely. Meanwhile, "Ghosting" sounds so sincere and heartfelt. It reminds me of Bright Eyes.
 
And you suffered through that weather for their concert? I can't even imagine how cold that was. Living here in the tropics, I shiver like an epileptic if the temperature drops below ~10 C (and that only ever happens in the high mountains). I'm sure it was worth it though.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 1:04 pm

half.note:
 
"You're terrible."
 
I know. :)
 
"You may just need to hear some more of their stuff."
 
That may be true, but only time an boredom will tell if I ever get around to listening to their other albums.
 
flo:
 
"Mostly the second verse thing. It sounds incredibly emo."
 
I'm sure this sounds like a cop-out, but to an extent that's what I was aiming for. That verse in particular (and the other two, to an extent) is influenced by Cherax's song Okabe, which begins with:
 
a fickly cry

that documents my slow decay

I'm hollowed out

and stagger backwards into yesterday
 
"I honestly barely even know what you're trying to say so I may have inadvertently changed your meaning in some places."
 
I honestly barely even know what I'm trying to say, myself.
 
guise:
 
"Yes, it is short but the syntax and word choice complicates it."
 
I can read that sentence and already know what it means by the time my eyes have reached the period, so I see no reason to be bothered by it. Especially in poetry where it often makes sense to rearrange sentence structure to help fit a particular cadence or scheme, it's totally fair to put an adverb before the action it describes, if it works in context. And I really don't get your issues with "frigid". It's a stronger word than "cold", it's describing the river while "cold" is describing the gale, so it's not necessarily redundant, and it doesn't sound ugly to me either.
 
"The lyrics were the general pondorous type, written by every fledging poet ever."
 
I'm gonna infer here (and you can correct me if I'm wrong) that mostly what you two are taking issue with is that the lyrics don't really have any particular direction, which is a fair criticism because they really don't. It's probably an issue that I sometimes start writing stuff down before I know what exactly I'm actually writing about.
 
"Also, what do you mean by "the city steeps in silence"? How does a city "steep"?"
 
Presumably, a city steeps more or less the same way as anything else. From Merriam-Webster's definition of "steep" as a verb:
 
to saturate with or subject thoroughly to (some strong or pervading influence) <practices steeped in tradition>
 
The implication in this case is that the silence is thoroughly permeating and long-lasting, as in a city that's been abandoned. Or, taking the other definition, "to cover with or plunge into a liquid", to construct a metaphor, you could say the city is entirely submersed in and surrounded by silence, which has roughly the same meaning as a literal interpretation.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 5:44 pm

Jubilex:
I'm sorry to hear that it ended so badly with your friend. :(
I asked partly because I was curious and partly because I'm considering telling my friend that I'm bis-xual (and maybe one day telling her that I'm in love with her, but not right away, and possibly never).
 
"Sometimes I feel like I still love a memory of her, but I'm not in love with her anymore. Does that make sense?"
I think I know exactly what you mean.
 
Guise:
"It's mainly the production... The instruments can sometimes get scratchy..."
Okay, yeah, I know what you mean. I think it's just the style really. It basically sounds like they're just recording it in someone's basement with battered, old equipment, and I find it actually quite charming.
 
"...an acquried taste."
That is actually a perfect description of NMH. XD
I honestly don't think I would have gotten into NMH (as easily as I did, at least) if I had been introduced to them by anyone else besides my one teacher. They obviously make fantastic music, but it takes some getting used to.
 
"Do you have any recommended tracks by Broken Bells though?"
Oh, all too many. XD
Personally, my favourite by them is "The Mall and Misery" but my boyfriend (who is also a big fan of Broken Bells and even bought us tickets to go to their concert last summer) says it's one of his least favourites. I don't think he knows what he's talking about, though, since I find that song extremely catchy and profound and a great tune to dance to (and altogether underrated). :P
Well, maybe look it up and see what you think and also check out "Meyrin Fields" and "After The Disco" while you're at it.
 
And yes, I'll be checking out Modest Mouse tonight. :)
 
"They have some of the freshest songs I've heard, and yet they retain the poppy, catchy element."
You know what? I'm liking you more and more... ;)
I also don't understand why Mother Mother isn't more popular. They are one of the greatest bands I have ever heard (right up there with The Beatles and The Shins). I honestly thought they couldn't get any better and then they released their last album. SO. SO. GOOD.
 
"And there's something in the way they layer the vocals; it sounds almost ethereal."
No arguments here. Their vocals are definitely one of the most impressive things about them. It makes sense because they actually started out with a focus on "vocal-driven pop songs" and Wikipedia describes them as a "Canadian vocal harmony indie rock band."
Not including their new album, my favourite album of theirs is probably "Eureka," and my boyfriend really likes "The Sticks." But all their music is genius, so just start listening and see what you like. :)
 
"And you suffered through that weather for their concert?"
It wasn't too bad... -10'C in early December in central Alberta is actually considered fairly mild weather. :P
We're all used to the cold by that point, but I must admit, I was really freezing without my winter jacket (all I had on was my Broken Bells sweater). We had no idea we'd be standing in line outside at all and because of some complications (like heading in the completely wrong direction when trying to get to the centre where the concert was being held) we ended up being a little late and at that point the line was so long that we had to line up a couple blocks down (the lead singer announced later during the concert that there was a about a thousand people in attendance and it was the biggest concert of the band's career so far). It took about 50 or so minutes before we were able to get in to the centre. By that point, pretty much everything except my torso and feet had gone almost completely numb. At least my boyfriend and I were able to huddle together for warmth, otherwise it could have been a lot worse. :P
 
"I'm sure it was worth it, though."
Completely. Once we were inside the warm building, had each bought Mother Mother sweaters, and found the perfect seats, the night was absolutely brilliant (except the opening act, USS, was a bit annoying). Mother Mother is even better live than they are on their albums. It was also really cool just being in the same building as Ryan Guldemond (the lead singer and songwriter). You can just tell by the way he talks that he is a very intelligent man and a profound thinker. He's also very hot. ;)
 
Oh, and if you have any other bands you think I might like, I'd welcome the recommendations. We obviously have very similar tastes in music, and I'm always on the lookout for new, good bands.
 
God bless. ♥

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CheeeeeeeeeeeeeeseThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 5:54 pm

Guise:
 
"Also, what do you mean by "the city steeps in silence"?"
 
Steep, like tea. It's saturated in silence.
 
"Anyway, I'd love to hear some Cherax or ALAO. Where should I start?"
 
CxDr has a bandcamp, idk about the other person, but they probably do too.
 
Edgy:
 
"I'm sure this sounds like a cop-out, but to an extent that's what I was aiming for."
 
Oh no there's nothing wrong with emo, I listen to emo myself sometimes, there's just good, deep, ponderous emo, and then there's that generic teenage poser-like overly-exaggerated-in-cliche-ways emo. The examples I can currently think of would be Avenged Sevenfold's M.I.A. versus Blink 182's I Miss You.
 
M.I.A.'s opening verse:
 
Staring at the carnage, praying that the sun would never rise.
Living another day in disguise.
These feelings can't be right, lend me your courage to stand up and fight, on tonight.
 
I Miss You's middle chorus thing:
 
Where are you and I'm so sorry
I cannot sleep I cannot dream tonight
I need somebody and always
This sick strange darkness
Comes creeping on so haunting every time
 
M.I.A. sounds much more sophisticated and deep, but still holds that dark, somewhat self-loathing tone to it. I Miss You is just your average teen emo who's all sad and tragic cuz "oh im so alone all i know is darkness and pain blah blah."
 
"I honestly barely even know what I'm trying to say, myself."
 
That's another problem. You should at least have a moderate grasp on what you're trying to say instead of just stringing together a bunch of words that sound good, at least for the type of song you're trying to write. All I've gotten from this is "time is passing now we're dead."

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CheeeeeeeeeeeeeeseThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 6:39 pm

Btw Stunt i edited my edits again lol. The last two lines I keep wanting to add another syllable to, so I put the optional word into parentheses.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 7:42 pm

guise:
 
"Anyway, I'd love to hear some Cherax or ALAO. Where should I start?"
 
OH my GOSH I can't BELIEVE I forgot to respond to this...
 
For Cherax, I recommend listening through his debut album, Lost No Longer, then following it up with Cenotaphs immediately after, and then listening to the rest of his discography if you feel compelled. You can listen to both in full on BandCamp, just google "lost no longer" and it should be the first link. And you can get to Cenotaphs from there.
 
For ALAO, I recommend listening to his most recent release, No More Eight Bit. Again, you should be able to find it on BandCamp by searching "no more eight bit" and following the first link.
 
flo:
 
I admittely can't really tell any difference between the first and second set of lyrics that you posted in terms of style, except that the first addresses a more specific and literal horror, and also has a much worse rhyme scheme.

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CheeeeeeeeeeeeeeseThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 9:15 pm

Honestly it may also be the actual tune of the song that adds to my view (because i find the second song horribly annoying), but basically the first one seems a bit more thought-provoking to me, has better word choice (carnage, disguise), and follows a melody that's a little less standard. The second fits more into poser-teen-land, as it generally uses your standard "emo" words ("sick stange darkness" specifically in the bit I showed you) and uses the same generic theme of "alone and misunderstood" for the basis of the entire thing. Also the last line sounds a little like a forced rhyme to me.
 
Idk though, since I know the actual tune these lyrics go to I guess it's kinda hard for me to look at them the way you are. If you wanna hear the actual songs they're here I guess:
 
M.I.A.: youtube. com/watch?v=gb6924I1HPY
 
I Miss You: youtube. com/watch?v=m2yStD2GWhU
 
My point is basically that you can write dark, thought provoking lyrics without sounding cliche and using words like dark, darkness, sick, sickness, alone, lonely, abyss, pain, etc.

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CheeeeeeeeeeeeeeseThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
yesterday at 9:34 pm

* Should also add that those words aren't inherently bad themselves, it's just if you use them repetitively in a hackneyed manner all you're gonna get is an eyeroll. "As the hours drag on all I feel is this numbing pain, the dark abyss drawing closer and closer as my soul absorbs this neverending sorrow of lonliness" versus "At each tick of the clock another spike is driven into my mind, living under the burden of my own shadow, the weight of the past sits quietly between the dark fissures of my thoughts."
 
... actually you know what? That still sounds cheesy as fu.ck. Ignore me, I'm obviously terrible at this.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
today at 6:11 am

half.note
 
Please feel free to ask me anything, no matter what we're talking about. If there's something I don't want to answer, I'll let you know, but I don't think that will happen very often.
 
Let me know how things go if you do tell your friend about either piece of info.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
today at 12:04 pm

"My point is basically that you can write dark, thought provoking lyrics without sounding cliche and using words like dark, darkness, sick, sickness, alone, lonely, abyss, pain, etc."
 
See: the entirety of Cenotaphs by Cherax, the entirety of Obsidian by Baths (also on the recommendation list for good lyrics)

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Guise replied...
today at 12:26 pm

@Flo
I hope you don't mind if I say this but... yeah, those were pretty cheesy. But I definitely agree that you can use those words in a profound way. Just some examples of emo-ish songs that flow in the same vein:
 
- I Will Follow You Into The Dark by Death Cab For Cutie. Excerpt:
"Love of mine, some day you will die
But I'll be close behind

I'll follow you into the dark

No blinding light or tunnels to gates of white

Just our hands clasped so tight

Waiting for the hint of a spark"
 
Dust to Dust by The Civil Wars. This whole song's hauntingly beautiful. Excerpt:
"Let me in the wall
You've built around

We can light a match

And burn it down

Let me hold your hand

And dance 'round and 'round the flames

In front of us

Dust to dust"
 
Thanks for the explanation. To be honest, I thought it was a typo, that "steeps" was meant to be "sleeps". Haha, it totally makes sense now.
 
@Stunt
"Especially in poetry where it often makes sense to rearrange sentence structure to help fit a particular cadence or scheme"
Yeah, I understand what you're getting at. To be honest, maybe the sentence wasn't as bad as I thought it was. I'm just too used to reading prose where those types of sentences are uncommon. Normally, the author wouldn't throw in an adverb, because they generally promote telling vs. showing. Maybe it's different in poetry; I haven't read enough to tell.
 
"What you two are taking issue with is that the lyrics don't really have any particular direction."
That, and the general cliche-ness of the lyrics. Though I can't exactly pinpoint its theme, your lyrics sounds very nihilistic. Please correct me if that isn't the effect you were achieving, but that's what I felt. Anyway, you might want to check out the songs I posed above. Some of them might not be thematically similar, but they are beautiful nonetheless. Another one worth noting is How to Disappear Completely by Radiohead. The lyrics by themselves are already moving, but with the music, it's so much more depressing. In fact, most of Radiohead’s discography’s worth a look at.
 
“OH my GOSH I can't BELIEVE I forgot to respond to this...”

Haha, well, I’m listening to them right now. I don’t normally listen to—what genre would this fall under? Electronic—this type of music, but they sound interesting. In particular I like ALAO’s Ghost in the Attic. I’m still exploring Cherax though.
 
@half.note
"It basically sounds like they're just recording it in someone's basement with battered, old equipment."
Yeah. It reminds me a lot of garage rock. There's an appeal to that but it's certainly not for everyone. A lot of people whom I introduced to NMH were turned off by Mangum's vocals and the rawness of some songs. But I think if they lingered on it some time more, they'd find a certain poeticness in the noise, just as it takes some effort to overcome the bitterness of coffee.
 
I can't even remember where I first heard of NMH. It was probably from a book I read but for the life of me, I can't recall which one. Something by John Green, I think. Anyway, I was struck by how outlandish their name was, so I checked them out.
 
"Well, maybe look it up and see what you think and also check out "Meyrin Fields""
Well, out of the bunch, I think Meyrin Fields was my favorite. I have to admit though, I didn't feel as strongly for Broken Bells as I did to Mother Mother, but I'm still saving some of their tracks if I ever need to make a party/dance playlist. I do like some of Danger Mouse's other work though, particularly Black but I'm definitely biased on that one because I first heard it on Breaking Bad. Also, I think he was involved in Portugal. The Man somehow, and some of their songs are really good.
 
"You know what? I'm liking you more and more... ;)"
Haha, and I have to say the same thing. You're absolutely wonderful for introducing me to all these new bands :)
 
"-10'C in early December in central Alberta is actually considered fairly mild weather. :P
And that's why I'm terrified of Canadian winters. I have relatives in Toronto tell me how the snow blankets everything--your houses, cars, roads. What kind of yetis are you to withstand such crazy cold temperatures? (Please don't take that the wrong way. You guys are awesome.)
 
"Mother Mother is even better live than they are on their albums."
That's what I was hoping. But how's that possible? It seems hard to recreate the atmosphere of their songs with all its layers, echoes, and effects. Also, it sounded like a brilliant concert experience. All the ones I've ever attended were, to be honest, flat and lame. Gah, I'm kinda jealous now. There's a very slim chance that I'll ever get to see them live :/ 
 
"Oh, and if you have any other bands you think I might like, I'd welcome the recommendations."
 
Oh, you're asking for an avalanche. I hope you're ready.
 
 
Radiohead
I'm supposing you've already heard of them, but if you haven't, you must give them a listen. I promise it'll be worth every nanosecond. They're not hailed as one of the greatest artists of all time (70 something on The Rolling Stones' list) for nothing. Anyway, they are perhaps the most diverse band that's existed. They reinvent themselves with every album, so let me list their best albums with their general sound/atmosphere:
 
- "The Bends"; alt. rock
The classic sound of the 90s. The whole album is nostalgic.
Songs of interest: 
Bullet Proof... I Wish I Was (Soothing enough to be a lullaby)
Fake Plastic Trees (Perhaps the first song that's ever brought me to the verge of tears)
Street Spirit (Just a repeating guitar riff, but it never fails to chill me.)
 
- "OK Computer"; alt. rock
The album that changed the world--one of those where every single song is good.
Song of interest: 
Paranoid Android (7 mins. long. It's Radiohead's Bohemian Rhapsody) 
Let Down (Uses Phil Spector's "Wall of Sound" effect really well)
Exit Music (For a Film) (The slowly building crescendo and dark lyrics are what make this one stand out.)
No Surprises (Their most charming and quiet song. I thought it was lovely until I read the lyrics. Nooope.)
 
- "Kid A" Electronic
Radiohead polarized fans with the sudden change of direction, but I think this album's pure genius. Some tracks on the album are masterpieces even if you aren't such a fan of electronic (like me).
Songs of interest:
Motion Picture Soundtrack (Like Exit Music but with church organs and chimes)
How to Disappear Completely (Don't listen to this if you're depressed. There are these wailing instruments that make it so much more heartaching.)
Idiotique (The lyrics are insane, but that makes it so much better.)
 
- "In Rainbows" experimental/art rock
Some of the songs here are kinda avant-garde. They seem to have gone easy on the dark lyrics and themes this time.
Songs of Interest:
Jigsaw Falling into Place (I'll quote TIME Magazine on this: “a journey through flirtation, consummation and regret [that] gets about as close as you can to summing up a doomed relationship in four minutes.”)
Reckoner (Perfect study music. The sort of song that might play in hotel lobbys or elevators)
Bodysnatchers (One of their catchiest songs. I've also heard that it's a challenge to play on guitar)
 
Anyway, to make this easier, here are my top 5 songs:
1. Paranoid Android
2. Motion Picture Soundtrack
3. Fake Plastic Trees
4. No Surprises
5. Jigsaw Falling into Place
 
I initially intended to list much more than just Radiohead, but it's getting late. If you're still interested, I could continue tomorrow. :)

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