Stunt: Whether that cat comment is a serious cat comment or a clever quantum mechanics reference I totally agree - cats are awesome.
A friend of mine has practically created a whole satirical religion based around the idea that, since we can't be 100% sure that anything we sense is accurate, we're actually all sub sandwiches in a sandwich shop. It was much more making fun of the people in the school philosophy club that couldn't get over the possibility that nothing we sense is actually real, than on any religion.
Also, the cat comment wasn't an intentional QM reference but looking back, I totally wish it was. Unfortunately I'm not that clever.
It was asked: How can there be heaven without h-ll? Light without darkness? Good without evil?
I think it's quite possible. If you do something kind, it's not considered kindness just because someone else did something mean. Doing right is still right, even without the wrong.
I think people become too hung up on the idea that some will go into everlasting reward and some into everlasting punishment, as if there has to be opposite ends of the spectrum.
The idea of h-ll is not to torment the wicked forever just so that heaven is a good place to be in comparison. The idea of h-ll is to destroy the plague of sin, which unfortunately means that some sinners must die as well.
Oh, and I believe that the Bible teaches that humans are souls:
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)
So when we die our souls don't travel anywhere. The soul is a part of us, just like our body.
God bless. ♥
Nicely put, half.note XD
Its not considered kindness because someone did something bad. However all things like this are relative. Knowing about bad things gives you the reference point to realize when something is good.
I agree with that. However, where is the reference point lost at all? He.ll and Heaven coexist......
After an infinity of one or the other it seems you might lose the reference point. I'm not an expert in any way on this though...
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The "best answer" is interesting.....I see u rolling ur eyes!! :D sometimes smart people materialize on yahoo, ya know....
And I realize this more answers Florees question than yours, but it's still interesting.
Btw, GUYS, I got my dad to start an apologetics group at our church :D so excited!!!!
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^ Yeah, I just lost mine, too, because my touch screen tablet fell on my hands and I accidently pressed something. :|
Anyways, very briefly:
The universe was created to be without evil.
It is only because we live in a world of death and sin that we are always comparing good and evil, but it fact, they are not coexistent.
Half.note: How would you define good without evil? How would you recognize it?
I meant NOW they are coexistant.....as in, they both exist.....pardon my English
Well, not everything has to be defined by comparison.
In fact, I think most things are self-evident. They are because they are, not because anything else is (if that makes any sense).
Let me put it this way: If you're always happy, and there is no such thing as sadness, does that mean you are not actually happy?
In the Bible God is described as being pure light, without darkness:
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." (1 John 1:5)
So if there was no such thing as darkness or evil, should that somehow take away from the fact that God is light? That he is good?
I think not.
The idea that light cannot exist without darkness is an human idea. In fact, it's very common in eastern religion. You know the "yin yang" symbol with the black and the white twisted together? That is meant to represent this philosophy.
(Here's a wikipedia page about yin yang if you're interested: h ttp://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Yin_and_yang)
If we are living forever without sin and in the presence of God, we will be happy. There is no need to contrast this joy with pain and suffering.
Ah well, I guess it's all debatable (But what isn't? :P).
God bless. ♥
Joy can exist without sadness, comfort without pain? Tell that to mother Teresa... :P
Jade: OHHH, okai, that makes sense =w= Welp, that explains that. Thanks.
half.note: You may be so-to-speak "happy", but joy is only potent in small doses. If you're continuously happy, then after a while this happiness becomes your natural state. Do I have to bring up the weed thing again? Screw it, I'm bringing it up again.
Okai, you know how they say "laughter is the best medicine"? Great, now we've established laughter is dru.gs.
Next, laughter, this "dru.g", causes feelings of happiness and joy because it releases endorphins. So basically, laughter is free weed we can make on our own and is totally not illegal.
So yeah, in small bursts laughter/dru.gs/weed makes you feel pretty awesome. But if you continously feel awesome, then this awesome feeling becomes normal to you. And normal=mediocre.
So what do you do? You take more da.mn dru.gs. And then you get all happy again.
so i'm not saying you'll not be happy, I'm just saying its potency will diminish as time goes on.
Now if it does that same weird "time doesn't move" thing, then MAYBE you get to feel high 24/7 up in heaven.
Also, how does time not move in heaven/he.ll but moves on earth? Does that mean if you're in heaven and you look down at the earth, everything will seem frozen or something?
I'm not Catholic so Mother Theresa isn't of much importance to me. :P
Well, there are other postitve emotions beside happiness (that was just an example), but we know that in heaven we will never be sad or cry.
I doubt we'll be elated all the time, but we won't experience negative emotions, either.
Honestly, I can't tell you what it will be like, I just know that there will be no more pain, death, or suffering.
Oh, and you lost me at the end about the "time... frozen" stuff.
God bless. ♥
half.note: Well if you never get 'sad' but still can go up and down in some range, then however worse you can feel will become what you may call 'sad'. It's like reverse depression or something. I mean, with depression you still feel sad all the time, but you have good days and bad days, and your good days temporarily becomes 'you in a good mood'.
lol and dont worry about the time thing, that was more related to Jade's thing than anything.
I don't see why there has to be sadness at all.
I think there will be happiness, contentedness, etc. (and maybe even just a "normal" feeling).
Anyways, emotions shouldn't really be a measure of what heaven is like. Heaven will be perfect and there will be no more sin and death.
Agree to disagree?
God bless. ♥
half.note: Ay, then what if my definiton of perfect is different from your definition of perfect? Then what's it like if it is, by definition, perfect?