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zander101 posted this thread...
May 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm

do yall think that music is actualy emotion or just sound?
i see color when i play music and so i was also wondering if yall think that color is emotion.

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Quantum1.0 replied...
May 14, 2013 at 2:26 pm

I think music is a sound. However, it can deeply effect our emotions and for some people with synesthesia (like you I guess) can "see" sounds (or "feel" them, etc. - its basically a mixing of senses).
Of course why it effects our emotions so much is a very interesting question that would be great to discuss.

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Trai307 replied...
May 14, 2013 at 2:27 pm

Music is a way to express emotions. So in some ways, I think music is indirectly related to emotion just a color is related to emotions and music.

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Falling.Up. replied...
May 14, 2013 at 4:32 pm

music is emotion! in my opinion.. i mean, so much emotion is put into it, how can it not be? when i write songs and poetry, all my anger, hate, love, passion, everything i feel goes into every single word i have...
so in my opnion, yeah. its emotion. its colour. its pride. its anything and everything.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
May 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm

One of the topics that interests me most... Why does music affect us so much? I mean, it's just a series of vibrations of varying intensity, pitch, and rhythm. There is no conceivable evolutionary purpose for us to enjoy, create, or even notice music. And yet it's one of those rare things that can be found in every human culture anywhere on earth. So why is music so important to us?

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Quantum1.0 replied...
May 14, 2013 at 8:10 pm

Imaginedangerous: Here is an evolutionary reason - it may or may not be correct, but I'm pretty sure there is one:
Music, particularly among tribal cultures, is deeply rooted in spirituality and cultural unity. It is quite likely that music, morality, and religion all evolved together. All of these things are useful due to group evolution. Essentially those tribes of early hominids that cooperated the best survived. Music is a way to increase unity and to bring a group together. In hominids to which it caused powerful emotional reactions of unity, togetherness, aggression, etc. the group worked together better and thus survived. Thus, today we still have powerful reactions to music.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
May 15, 2013 at 8:49 pm

Kind of makes sense... But then why did the early tribes make music in the first place? This isn't like positively responding to warm weather or new sources of food. Somebody had to make music before they could positively respond to it and thus develop emotional ties. And in the beginning if there were little or no emotional ties ot music, why did they bother? (Sorry if this sounds confusing... or like a circular question...)

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Quantum1.0 replied...
May 16, 2013 at 12:06 am

Imaginedangerous: Good point. Chance maybe? 
Or perhaps some sort of rhythmic work, like chipping stones for tools, formed the first rudimentary music, which if people were working together led to positive unifying feelings. I have no clue if that's right, but it seems like a reasonable guess.
I'll do some research and see if I can find some more conclusive proof or theory.

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half.note replied...
May 16, 2013 at 3:08 pm

As a musician, I see music as a lot more than just emotion.
Music is an art. It involves creativity and talent.
I'll put it this way:
Everyone can feel emotions, but not everyone can write a song to express them.
Music is not an emotion in and of itself, it is just a way of communicating how we feel.

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SuperFloree replied...
May 16, 2013 at 4:49 pm

Well one, music's just a way to express emotion, my opinion.
Two, I think what quantum says sounds right. People could've started by following a rhythm to work together on counts and beats. Then some creative dude decided to get fancy. I think there was even a Big Bang theory episode where Sheldon and Penny sang a song so they could work more efficiently.

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stuntddude replied...
May 16, 2013 at 7:29 pm

Another possible evolutionary reason isn't nearly as pleasant and involves warfare between tribes -- there's good evidence that, when going to war, some tribes would sneak up during the early hours of the morning while the victim tribe was asleep, and then make as much noise as they could when they attacked to overwhelm and disorient the victim tribe. So it's reasonable to suspect that one of the first forms of music was with percussive instruments for purposes of war.
Another reason may be long-distance communication. Humans have very loud voices for calling out for help and such, but it's difficult to hear spoken language from a long distance, so it's possible that modern singing has its roots in code calls that early humans would use to communicate over long distances. After all, it's easier to distinguish the pitch of a voice from a mile away than it is to hear what sentence it's saying. The same can go for drum beats, which have been used profusely for sending message as recently as the U.S. civil war (see "drummer boys" -- fascinating stuff). This has the advantage that drums can be made to be even louder than human voices.
If this is the case, it's no surprise that more "primitive" music usually consists of mainly percussion and chanting without much attention to melody/harmony.
Another more general possibility is simply that certain sounds occur more in duality with safety, comfort, etc. and so people who took an affinity to those particular sounds were more likely to survive. For instance, mothers singing to their children is nothing recent -- it goes back at least as far as written history, probably much farther. It's no surprise, then, that people take better to singers with softer, more kindly, even more feminine voices, rather than gruff or harsh ones. And, for instance, many people have strong negative reactions to squelching noises -- after all, when are squelching things good out in nature? Rarely ever.
More probably, it's a combination of many, many factors. In any case, it's a really cool topic to think about!

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zander101 replied...
May 19, 2013 at 10:54 am

i apreciate everyones reply's! thanks for looking at this, i play music and stuff and wanted some opinion quantum, thats realy cool thinking, why does it effect  ur emotions?
mebe cause God uses it to bring us something to discribe what words cant

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stuntddude replied...
May 19, 2013 at 12:59 pm

Zander, even if there is a god, that's doubtful. All of the possible evolutionary reasons Quantum and myself listed would cause people to have emotional connections to music -- especially the safety and comfort aspect the I mentioned. People have strong emotional connections with their mothers, people have strong emotional connections to music and singing, and mothers tend to sing to their children. Do you see where I'm going with this?

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Imaginedangerous replied...
May 19, 2013 at 7:03 pm

stuntddude- Just because there's a scientific reason for something doesn't mean that God wasn't involved. Yes, music provides comfort and emotional connections and a creative outlet- aren't those all good reasons for God to create it? If God exists, then he probably guided us in our creation of music for those good reasons. If He does not, then evolution would provide us with music for the same reasons. What your post really comes down to is whether God exists or not- which is another topic entirely.

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stuntddude replied...
May 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm

If god does not exist, however, as I think he/she/it does not, then of course he/she/it had nothing to do with it. There is a scientific explanation, and although there's probably a lot more going into it that I don't know about, the scientific reason is frankly a lot more compelling than the theological reason.

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zander101 replied...
May 20, 2013 at 9:18 am

stuntdude- i see where your coming from, interesting to think about- also you may find it interesting that the bible speaks of science of matter and time, space gravity and more, two thousend years before these sciences were looked at by our peoples, i think that theology is a science in itself in a way, the beauty of what we as humans do is so cool, it does make sence that we have a higher power.  and yes you are, in my opinion absolutely right, my mom sang to me when i was little, and her mom to her so it does creat emotional bonding i think

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half.note replied...
May 20, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Just really quick, since I don't have a lot of time, I just wanted to share a bit about the Bible's perspective on music.
Music was often used to praise God:
“Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets: It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD.” (2 Chronicles 5:12-13)
“Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation… Sing unto the LORD; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth. Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.” (Isaiah 12:2, 5-6)
“I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." (Psalm 104:33)
[Psalms itself is just a collection of songs to praise God]
So what is the difference between God’s music and other music?
“And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written. And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp. And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear. And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses’ anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.” (Exodus 32:15-19)
What we see happening is that Moses went up Mt. Sinai and was given the Ten Commandments by God. As he’s coming down, his companion Joshua (a soldier) tells Moses that be believes the Israelites are being attacked and are at war. Moses quickly realizes that the Israelites are not crying in victory or defeat, but that they are singing.
Obviously this singing was not praises to God since they were doing it while worshipping a golden calf and Joshua mistook it for the sounds of battle.
I imagine that this “singing” was probably more like screaming (and maybe even included drums) since Joshua thought it was the “noise of war.”
Moses was so displeased with the Israelites’ heathen worship, dancing, and singing that he actually threw down the stone tablets which God himself at written the Ten Commandments on with his finger, and the tablets broke.
So how are we to praise God?
“Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.” (Psalm 33:2-3)
“Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm. With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.” (Psalm 98:5-6)
“Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.” (Psalm 150)
“I will praise thee with my whole heart…” (Psalm 138:1)
God bless. ♥

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zander101 replied...
May 20, 2013 at 6:05 pm

i can tell that you have studied this and researched a  lot.
you are correct, people have been praising God since the first part of Genises, and later on in the prophets it speaks of God being "tired of music without the heart along with it" to paraphrase.
the noise of music is so old and so amazing yet fresh every day, every time i pick up the guitar it feals new, alwase, mankind is learning about msic even though it has existed since God aligned the stars, infact Jesus said that " the stars tell His story" and in the pentituke it speaks of the stars singing, we are learning about music as if it has just begun, and its been around for eternity. thanks for the comment :)

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stuntddude replied...
May 20, 2013 at 6:11 pm

Zander -- I'd like a source on this. You'd be hard-pressed to find any bible verses to support that claim, I think. The bible is an excellent account of the culture and knowledge of the time at which it was written, no doubt, but beyond that it's of little to no scientific use.
half.note -- Very interesting to read about some of the biblical references to music, although I'll admit I'm not sure what you're getting at here, if anything.

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half.note replied...
May 20, 2013 at 8:15 pm

^ LOL, guess I never really had much of a point.
I had just woken up and I was in a rush (and it was my second draft since I lost my first post).
Anyways, I guess I was just trying to show the connection between music and God.
I don’t believe that music just evolved by chance or from battle signals. I believe it is a gift of God which we can use to worship Him. :)
Either way, whatever you believe, I thought the Bible verses would be interesting.
God bless. ♥

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