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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 21, 2013 at 3:33 pm

Sorry that wasn't super clear. Is there a problem associated with waiting to ask for forgiveness and stuff until you die and you are sure God exists? Does God care that I believe in Him or just that I'm a moral person who feels bad about his sins.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 21, 2013 at 6:08 pm

PB: i'm not giving up. She missed my point, so therefore she didn't refute it, and therefore i cannot refute HER. 

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 21, 2013 at 6:12 pm

That sounded more mean than it was meant...before anyone comments.
 

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 21, 2013 at 6:46 pm

*meaner? idk....
 
Okay, anywayz...
 
Quantum
 
Your question isn't a new one. "How could a just God send somebody to He.ll?"
 
But I wanna address your other question, for the moment: "Why can't I ask for forgiveness in Heaven, once I know there's a God?"
 
I guess because that would be missing the whole point of being on Earth. It is a testing ground and a battleground, to put it in cheesy terms. 
 
Let me ask you this: Would it matter? 
 
Basically what you're asking is, why doesn't God "prove" Himself? Why is faith required? Correct me if I'm wrong! :D
 
God requires faith because He's concerned with the heart, not our minds. Think of it like this: once you meet God face to face, and without a doubt you know He's real, what then? Does that make you want to repent? Maybe it does, but let me go on.... Sat.an and his angels were in the presence of God before we were even created. So what made them Fall? They KNEW God existed. But their hearts were in the wrong place. Knowing God exists 100% does not ensure you're a follower of God. The heart is a treacherous thing--Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and without cure. Who can understand it?" Only through Jesus do we guard our hearts and reach eternal life. 
 
Jesus is the mediator between us and God. So when you meet God someday and have refused Jesus, he will in turn say "I do not know you." Mark 8:38 "If anyone is ashamed of me and my words (Jesus) in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." 
 
Also, God does many things to "prove" His existence all the time, without blatantly saying "I'm here!" The problem is, we can explain them all away, too easily. "Matthew 12:38-30 " Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the lawa said to him, 'Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.' He (Jesus) answered, 'A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given..." Alternate: "Only the wicked ask for a sign"
 
Faith is more potent than straight-forward belief. Matthew 17:20 says "And Jesus said unto them, 'Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, if ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed (as small as a mustard seed), ye shall say unto this mountain, (Move!) and it will move; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."
 
Just a closing statement, cuz i gtg, Matthew 4:7 says "Do not put the Lord your God to the test." Which means, do not ask for signs and miracles. It isn't God's will, cuz he recquires faith. 
 

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human6 replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 12:03 pm

I would hate heaven then. I couldn't spend eternity in some kind of weird bondage to god. I find religion to have lots in common with B D S M.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 12:07 pm

I guess I get that sort of, but knowing God exists would certainly help. Why does God seem to be against knowlege? It seems like blind faith is all He wants. Think about Genesis. We get thrown out of Eden for eating from the tree knowledge, right? Basically, thinking about things and knowing things = no eternal paradise (in Eden or in Heaven)

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 3:02 pm

Jade:
 
What point did I miss?
 
 
Quantum:
 
Adam and Eve didn't get thrown out of Eden for wanting to know more, they got thrown out for disobeying.
 
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17)
 
God created the tree as a test. Satan tempted Eve into eating from the tree and she made the choice to disobey God and then brought the fruit to her husband, Adam, who made the same choice.
They became sinful beings and were driven from the Garden and from eating from the Tree of Life.
 
Mankind was originally created to be sinless, to live forever, and to follow God. Our world has now been corrupted by sin and only by obeying God can we eventually be restored to our former state and enjoy eternity in heaven.
 
God bless. <3

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 3:38 pm

But the thing they weren't supposed to do was get knowledge, right?
 
Sorry. If this makes no sense. I'm certainly not an expert.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm

 


Quantum


 


It's all about the loss of innocence. God wanted us to trust His will, not that we would be ignorant, but that we would follow a pure moral path. He wanted us without sin. Ultimately knowing right from wrong makes you rely on your own conscience rather than God's. That's not to say God is opposed to scientific knowledge or anything, He just knew the temptation would be too much for us. Suddenly there's something else out there besides God's will? I can sin? That's an option? So by keeping us innocence God was trying to save our souls! 


 


Oh gosh i'm tired, if i need to elaborate, I will.


 


Half.note


 


I thought you said agree to disagree?
 

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ContemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 7:14 pm

Adam and Eve weren't interested in knowledge. Or, what you might be thinking, the betterment of mankind. They wanted to be like God. They ate the fruit of knowledge of Good and Evil because they thought it would make them omniscient and omnipotent. Not to mention that it was a lie created by a talking serpent.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 9:35 pm

Human:
 
You misunderstand where the bondage lies. Not in obeying God, but in sin. I'd be happy to argue that with you. But how do you know what heaven is like? It's the absence of suffering and pain. What more could you ask for?

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 11:00 pm

Jade:
 
Haha, sorry. I forgot.
 
Ignore my last question. :P
 
God bless. ♥

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm

Quantum:
 
Contemplator makes a good point.
 
Adam and Eve were always learning.
The tree didn't give them knowledge, it was just a test of their obedience.

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human6 replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 5:49 pm

Jade: I finally have a keyboard computer to type my answer, which is awesome and I can give longer answers now.





Yes but suffering while also having to obey a gigantic sky big brother. I would rather, to paraphrase Paradise Lost, "Be free in Hell, than a slave in Heaven. "




I'm not bound to my "sin" I'm bound by dogma and lies, of which religion is but one of many.

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human6 replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 5:53 pm

Jade: You haven't seen much B D S M have you, people talking about freedom through submission is a big part of it. 

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 6:18 pm

I have seen many cultists and freaks like that, yes, but that's not what Christianity is all about. If it were, I would not be apart of it. 

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human6 replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 6:59 pm

I'm sure the cultists and freaks say the same thing.

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human6 replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 7:00 pm

thats what you sound like

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Destinee replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 7:15 pm

How the heck is religion like B D SM? One involves harming yourself for pleasure, the other involves submitting your mind & soul to God FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. 
 
There is no analogy here.

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human6 replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 7:16 pm

bondage submission sadistic masocism 

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