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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Apr. 5, 2013 at 11:55 pm

Doctorbug:
 
I don't know if you have read my post in the "Newbies" thread yet, but...
If you haven't, go and read it, and then come back here and keep reading.
If you have, keep reading.
 
 
Anyways, this thread is mainly to discuss our common interests: Stargate and Star Trek. (Sorry to pounce on you, but I'm just really excited to meet someone on Teen Ink who is a fan of these shows).
 
 
Okay, quick quiz:
 
1. Which do you like better: SG-1 or Atlantis?
2. Opinion on Stargate Universe?
3. What are you're favourite Star Trek series and why?
4. Do these questions annoy you? :P
 
 
I also open this thread to anyone else who wants to discuss favourite shows.

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JunieSparrowThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 5, 2013 at 11:59 pm

Twilight Zone. 
 
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Watch? 

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 6, 2013 at 12:25 am

JunieSparrow:
 
It's the Sabbath so I can't watch the video now, but I will watch it tomorrow after the sun sets.
 
Question: What is the Twilight Zone? Movie? TV show?

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 6, 2013 at 12:44 am

 
HELLOOO half.note XD
 
Response to post #1 in "Newbie" thread:
Thank you so much for the warm welcome :)
 
I'm so excited, you've no idea! After trolling through some of the conversations and threads here to see what this place is like, I've just realized I'm in heaven. I'm in heaven.
 
Part of a community? That's so much nicer than being all by yourself on your own little island wondering who's going to toss the next cannon ball at you. Debating is one thing, fighting another.
 
I'm betting I sound so much like someone that is like...I don't know. But I'm sure you can understand the relief I'm feeling, no?
 
And no, it's not nosy at all! I totally welcome questions :)
 
I'm Messianic Christian.
Take the Bible really literally, as in "it's not just a big metaphor" ...except in the places where Jesus/Yeshua is obviously telling a parable, lol!
 
I believe both the OT and the NT are in complete unison with each other and I don't believe Jesus came to abolish the law but to fulfill it, so I follow the Mosaic law (to the extent I believe God wanted us to follow it as non-Je.ws and so forth).
 
I'm a literal creationist. I'm conservative. And I just realized I've deviated from the original question.
 
 
Response to #2 in "Newbie" thread:
Hehe...
I just knew we would get along swell, too, after reading about three of your posts in the threads on here...I'm such a stalker XD.
 
 
Response to current thread:
Hahahahahahaha! LOLOLOLOL! Pounce on me all you will XD!!! Seriously, I've never met anyone on the internet that has even HEARD of Stargate...let alone watched it and liked it.
 
 
Response to quiz:
1. I have opinions about both shows. I liked SG-1 because the characters were more real than those of Atlantis. But then again, I own all of the Atlantis seasons because the "flash" was just too cool. Remember that line "All flash and no photo" -- I use it 24/7, LOL!!!!
 
2. Stargate Universe...hmm. I've never actually watched it because I've heard that it's not even like the original shows and was rather...immoral? Not to pass judgment on anyone there. I saw a couple trailers and I was like "Meh".
 
3. I love Star Trek Deep Space Nine the most XD. Why? Eh, because there was stability and a lot more diversity in the cast XD. I just finished re-watching the 5th season for the second time last week. I'm re-watching Voyager for the second time. I can't really pass judgment on Voyager because when I did watch it before I was like 8 years old :/ All I remember was that it was dull...that's why I'm watching it again.
 
Current opinion on STVoyager: B'Elanna has an attitude that needs fixing (I mean, who in their right mind would put her in charge!!!???). And I'm in love with Neelix (JK, I'm never in love with TV characters but you get the point).
 
4. Do these questions annoy me? Um...you will soon have an idea (if you don't already) about how much I can talk when prompted about things I like XD. And no, questions rarely annoy me. Things only annoy me when questions are meant as insults, rants or generally not a genuine question.
 
Love to meet you, too, and God bless you too :)
 
~ Doctorbug (Let's hope this fits in the 2000 something character limit...)
 
PS: I noticed you spelled "favorite" as "favourite". Either you're British or you're like me, lol XD!
 

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 6, 2013 at 7:21 pm

Wow, what dark corners of the internet have you been hiding in all these years!?!
 
I'm so glad that you like what you've seen so far.
And I'm also glad that I will have the opportunity to get to know you better.
 
 
First of all, you said that you are "Messianic Christian."
Aren't all Christians Messianic?
Did you mean Messianic Jew? Or is this a completely different religion that I have never heard of? o.O
 
Anyways, your beliefs sound very similar to mine. I also believe in the importance of the OT and NT. I'm also a literal creationist and follow the laws such as the Ten Commandments, and even the health rules about clean and unclean meat.
 
Do you also keep the seventh-day Sabbath?
 
Anyways, I'd really love to talk more with you about all this. And feel free to ask me questions, too. :)
 
 
Okay, on the topic of this thread:
 
1. I know what you mean. But I've always liked SG-1 a little more than Atlantis because of, well, a certain "Je ne sais quoi." :P
It was just all so perfect. The characters, the plots, everything!
 
But Atlantis is a close second. I especially love McKay (he's smart, hilarious, and a Canadian like me!). ♥
 
"All flash and no photo"... Didn't Ba'al say that in The Quest? (Excuse me while I freak out about the fact that I'm talking to someone who actually understands what I'm saying. XD)
 
 
2. I remember that they played a Stargate Universe Marathon on TV just after it came out. That was the first time I watched it, and I really didn't like it at first. I made it through a few episodes before I gave up.
 
But then a couple years ago I borrowed both the seasons from my dad and decided to watch it.
 
I actually really liked it. :O
 
You're right, it's not really like SG-1 or Atlantis at all, but every once and a while those old colours would show. (They even had some of the original cast make guest appearances. I was especially excited to see Daniel and McKay.)
 
The first season was pretty rough, but I loved the second season.
 
You're also right about the immorality, though. (One of the main characters is actually a practicing l-sbian.)
 
However, I find this to work for the show rather than against it (in some ways).
The reason is this: science fiction is about examining the human condition. The characters on SGU are all as human as you can get. They make countless mistakes, they lie, they cheat, and they do evil things.
They're actions make you look at your own life and your own sin. You ask yourself, "what would I have done in that situation?"
 
However, the immoral behaviour does make it hard to watch. I wouldn't really recommend it.
It was a one time thing for me, just to see what the show was like.
 
 
3. I've been wanting to watch DS9, but they don't play it on TV and they don't have it on Netflix here in Canada. :(
I have seen a couple episodes in the past and I rather liked it, but never really got into it.
 
Voyager has always been my favourite. ♥
I think the best characters are Tom Paris and the Doctor (who, if you haven't noticed, is also Woolsey on Stargate).
 
I think B'Elanna's bad attitude is part of the magic of the character. It is something she has to struggle to overcome, just like we must do with our own shortcomings.
 
Right now I am trying to watch through all of The Next Generation on Netflix. I'm about half way through season 2.
 
 
4. Well, good. Just thought I should check. :)
 
 
As for the "favorite" vs. "favourite", I spell it with a "u" because (as I mentioned before) I'm Canadian.
I also spell "color" as "colour", "neighbor" as neighbour", and I even say "zed" instead of "zee."
 
Yeah... I'm just that cool. :P
 
Haha.
 
 
God bless. ♥
 
P.S.:  The character limit is actually 10 000 (as well as being the bane of my existence). :/

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 6, 2013 at 7:58 pm

Doctorbug:
 
As well, you should check out my thread entitled "Prophecy." We're going to be studying Daniel and I'd love any contributions you could make to the study.
 
God bless. ♥

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 7, 2013 at 5:42 pm

 
Half.note:
 
I've been hiding in the most boring and dark corners of the internet.
I'm glad that I have the opportunity to get to know you better too XD. It's mutual.
 
Messianic Christian...I'm not sure. Yeah, I guess you could say all Christians are Messianic. The difference between a Messianic Jew and M-Christian is that one is of the Jewish ethnicity and the other is not. The "Messianic" part is to just put a Jewish flavour on it.
 
I eat kosher too! I have never in my life met someone that eats kosher like me. LOL! And yes, I keep the seventh day Sabbath :)
 
 
Extra questions...hmm.
 
1. If you don't mind my asking, are you a girl or guy?
2. What denomination are you?
3. How do you get "Favourite Hero" on your profile?
 
Oh, and I love the bible passages you have on your profile. My personal favourite is Isaiah 26:3.
 
And yes, I'd love to talk more about this too...where to start, where to start XD
 
As Kent Hovind would say "Sit down, breath deep, take a drink of water, you'll be fine"...lol!
 
 
Stargate SG-1:
I have decided that SG-1 has more enduring value than Atlantis, but the Atlantis has a lot more...flash?
 
Like SG-1 has all the photo and Atlantis has all the flash XD. Yeah, that's it.
 
I'm freaking out here. You knew where the quote came from. You knew exactly where the quote came from and who said it. Give me a moment, I'm dying. I laughed SO hard when Ba'al sad that. And Carter was like "Actually, it's 'all flash, no substance'" and I was like "oh, psht! I like Ba'al's rendition better".
 
I love quoting the scene where Adria and the Ori Prior are talking about the fate of the village. The way Adria says "then burn it." is just so boss...and nasty.
Prior: But what of the village?
Adria: Have they accepted the teachings of origin?
Prior: No, Orisi.
Adria: Then burn it.
 
I can't really pin down a favourite episode for Stargate SG-1 because the whole thing is like one episode practically. Things aren't really so isolated as they are in Atlantis...something I like about SG-1. I really liked Samantha's father, Jacob as a Tok'ra, though. Too cool.
 
 
Stargate Atlantis:
 
OMG!!! I love McKay. And his sister Jeannie is soooo cute :) Shepherd is so boss. Ronan annoys me, but whatever. So did Teal'c in SG-1...guess I just don't enjoy watching character that are just there to look big. Teal'c had more character than Ronan, though. I can't say the two characters were "flat" but they were definitely boring...for me at least.
 
And oh my goodness, Woolsey is awesome (he's my favourite leader for the Atlantis Expedition aside from Elizabeth), partly because I love watching the actor Picardo XD. And yes, I do know the same actor played the Doctor in Voyager...haha. Samantha Carter as Atlantis leader was boring :/
 
My personal favourite Stargate Atlantis episodes are "The Storm" & "The Eye"...and any other episode that has Kolya in it. Kolya and Shepherd are just...the perfect arch enemies. Partly because they are so alike, the difference being that Kolya is on the opposite side. Kolya cares about his own men and mission just as much as Shepherd. It was sad to see him go :'(. But the way in which he went was...appropriate for the character. The duel between Shepherd and Kolya was like the ultimate standoff in the history of cinema. Ultimate.
 
 
Stargate Universe:
I know exactly what you're saying about the show. I felt the same about Firefly. It's just, one would never have the dilemma of whether or not to like or dislike a show because of characters or immorality if they never started to watch it...you know what I'm saying. But yes, I loved Firefly because the plots where sooo good and the characters had real problems instead of prop-problems that can be fixed if people would just stop being childish. That those problems were seriously immoral ones :(
 
Yeah, about those first episodes. My dad watched them and said it was all about a ship with a bunch of people on board that kept back-stabbing each other and I was like "okay....".
 
I probably won't watch Universe anyway, because I don't want to be sucked into liking a show that I know I probably shouldn't be watching. Firefly was really good at first but then the show upped the immoral aspect more and more after it made you like the show :(. It's like, I totally didn't know what was coming.
 
I love shows that make me ask the question "What would I have done?"
 
 
Star Trek Voyager:
 
Haha. For now, I have a dislike/like relationship with Paris. He's a walking hormone (as Neelix puts it) but he's also got a lot of charisma...sigh...
 
I really like Captain Janeway though. She's like boss. Actually reminds me a little of me, hehe. Though I noticed they just couldn't figure out what to do wit her hair in the beginning. I liked it when it was up in a bun...why did they have to change it? Feel free to disagree...it's only a personal opinion.
 
Yes, I remember liking B'Elanna when I watched the show previously, but now I'm like "Is this the same character?" I guess I was just a little shocked when she walked out on Janeway and even more shocked when Janeway put her in charge. Though, I figure Janeway wouldn't hesitate to deprive her of such responsibilities if she felt like B'Elanna needed to go, lol.
 
 
Star Trek The Next Generation:
 
Gah! Counselor Troi annoyed me to no end and Commander Riker was...was...(don't ha.te me for saying this)...sleazy?
 
[hide behind couch]
 
I absolutely adored Data and Commander Warf XD. Though I did like Warf more in Deep Space Nine. Commander Warf is a major character in Deep Space Nine :). He and Dax get married XD XD XD...best romance in the history of Star Trek in my opinion.
 
---------------
 
Oh, I didn't remember you saying that before. Being Canadian is cool...I probably have this opinion mostly because of the influence I've had from Rodney McKay. My whole family pronounces ZPM as ZedPM. It's funny because even though all the rest of the SG-A characters say it ZPM, Rodney's way of saying it just seemed to stick.
 
I personally spell a lot of words the British way because I watch and read a lot of their stuff. I even sometimes say "bloody" even though I know it's a sacrilegious bad word...eek!
 
Yeah, you are just that cool.
 
Haha, I can just see the character limit becoming my bane too, sometime in the future...grr.
 
And yes, I will definitely check out your thread on Prophesy. I mean, Daniel!!! for crying out loud. I would not give up the opportunity...hehe.
 
So long,
~ Doctorbug

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 7, 2013 at 9:49 pm

I watched a little SG-1 as a kid, but the only stuff I've really watched is SGU :P I was well aware that it's the "odd one out" when I started watching. 
 
I like shows that include real human problems, like immorality.
 
To be honest, I didn't really expect to like it much, but Robert Carlyle is in it (Dr Rush), so I was set :P

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JunieSparrowThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 10:35 am

Twilight Zone is a TV show from back in the early '60s.  It was always featured some sort of unusual occurrence and usually some insight into human nature.  I don't know why I like it so much, maybe the ridiculous humor, maybe the knowledge that there really is someone who imagines crazy stuff like I do.  Sometimes I think my mind is part of the Twilight Zone. 

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 10:40 am

Jubilex:
 
I so know what you're saying. As for SG-U being the odd one out? Eh, that's to be expected and there's nothing really wrong with it. I mean, it still takes place in the same universe, right? LOL.
 
I like shows that include real human problems too. It's just that sometimes the show writers make the problems more immoral than they actually have to be. You know what I mean?
 
You can have the immoral problem of being a prostitute, but you don't have to make that prostitue a l-sbian (no offense intended).

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 10:42 am

JunieSparrow:
 
Lol! I think I remember that show. Is it the one where in one episode a guy got struck with lightening or there was something and then really freaky things happened to him?
 
And in another episode there were some dolls coming alive and chasing a little girl and her baby-sitter. Wherein the baby-sitter eventually turned into a doll too. That was creapy.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:00 am

I didn't mean that there was anything wrong with SG-U, so to speak, but I had heard a few criticisms prior to watching.

I think I get what you mean. I think it can add to a show and it can take away from it. There are lots of shows where hugely immoral characters make shows very popular. Like House. I raged to my TV many a time because of some incredibly insenstive or immoral thing that House did, but I still loved the show because of it. I was aware that he wasn't the type of character that you'd expect to meet in person, but it did show a lot of what can exist in people (even if most aren't so insensitive), and how they can make bad choices and alienate people, etc.

I do find the statement offensive. I know you don't mean to be, and I assume it is because you are against ga.y se.x that you have that idea. I am not of the same opinion as you. I don't see a difference between ga.y people, bi people, straight people, or any other se.xual orientation. To me we're all just people. I know not everyone has that opinion and I find it difficult to accept that. But I try not to judge for it. It doesn't define you any more than my support for se.xual orientations other than straight does.

Anyway, gravitating away from ho.mose.xuality. I get why it would bother you for things to be immoral where they don't have to be, or for there to be multiple layers of immorality, but it doesn't bother me. It gets silly when everyone is only made up of immoral parts, but as long as there's still some semblance of reality and humanity, it doesn't tend to bother me.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:02 am

 
I didn't mean that there was anything wrong with SG-U, so to speak, but I had heard a few criticisms prior to watching.
 
I think I get what you mean. I think it can add to a show and it can take away from it. There are lots of shows where hugely immoral characters make shows very popular. Like House. I raged to my TV many a time because of some incredibly insenstive or immoral thing that House did, but I still loved the show because of it. I was aware that he wasn't the type of character that you'd expect to meet in person, but it did show a lot of what can exist in people (even if most aren't so insensitive), and how they can make bad choices and alienate people, etc.
 
I do find the statement offensive. I know you don't mean to be, and I assume it is because you are against hom.ose.xuality that you have that idea. I am not of the same opinion as you. I don't see a difference between ga.y people, b.i people, straight people, or any other se.xual orientation. To me we're all just people. I know not everyone has that opinion and I find it difficult to accept that. But I try not to judge for it. It doesn't define you any more than my support for se.xual orientations other than straight does.
 
Anyway, gravitating away from hom.ose.xuality. I get why it would bother you for things to be immoral where they don't have to be, or for there to be multiple layers of immorality, but it doesn't bother me. It gets silly when everyone is only made up of immoral parts, but as long as there's still some semblance of reality and humanity, it doesn't tend to bother me.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:27 am


Jubilex:

Oh, I loved House too. My mom stopped watching it, though, because of all the sex.ual innuendo, you know? But I still loved the characters!

And I can't really pass judgement on SG-U anyways because I haven't watched it.

Oh, I'm sorry. No, I don't think hom.ose.xual people are any less human than me, goodness no! For all I know, the feelings are perfectly good and wonderful. It's the actions I'm not okay with. But I'm not going to go out of my way to insult anybody, or rant or rave, even though I may be a fundamentalist Christian. It's not nice and it's not going to do any good for the person in question, either.

It's just whenever the subject comes up or it's relevant to a conversation, I might state my opinion and that's it, you know?

But yeah, that's what I meant. Whatever we may consider as immorality, a movie doesn't need to be more "immoral" than it has to be.

Like in shows staring a serial killer. I mean, nobody needs to get inside the guy's/girl's head and hear the worst things on the face of the planet. Neither do we need to see the worst torture scenes that are obviously just there to be bloody and not build on a character...

I hope I'm making sense.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:28 am

 
Jubilex:
 
Oh, I loved House too. My mom stopped watching it, though, because of all the se.xual innuendo, you know? But I still loved the characters!
 
I can't really pass judgment on SG-U anyways, because I haven't seen the show.
 
Oh, I'm sorry. No, I don't think hom.ose.xual people are any less human than me, goodness no! For all I know, the feelings are perfectly good and wonderful. It's the actions I'm not okay with. But I'm not going to go out of my way to insult anybody, or rant or rave, even though I may be a fundamentalist Christian. It's not nice and it's not going to do any good for the person in question, either.
 
It's just whenever the subject comes up or it's relevant to a conversation, I might state my opinion and that's it, you know?
 
But yeah, that's what I meant. Whatever we may consider as immorality, a movie doesn't need to be more "immoral" than it has to be.
 
Like in shows staring a serial kil.ler. I mean, nobody needs to get inside the guy's/girl's head and hear the worst things on the face of the planet. Neither do we need to see the worst torture scenes that are obviously just there to be blo.ody and not build on a character...
 
I hope I'm making sense.

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Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:32 am

Doctorbug:
 
I'm being very nitpicky here, but I feel like this is a misconception that could lead to future misunderstandings between us:
 
In your first post on this thread, you used the word "trolling" as seemingly a verb to mean "to read or browse".  That's what it seems like to me in that context anyways.  "Trolling" is more commonly used as a way of saying "harassing" or "being stupid to annoy people".  
 
Idk, maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you're saying, I just thought I'd get that out there in case of a misconception :P
 
Half.note:
 
1. Gosh that's hard, I think I like SG-1 better.
2. IT SUUUUCKS.  There was supposed to be a video game based off of it (actually it was supposed to be based off of a video game) but it never happened so I'm sad :(
3. Star Trek: The Next Generation is my all time favorite t.v. series ever. EVER :d
4. STOP YELLING AT ME

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:36 am

Doctor and Jubilex's convo:
 
I kinda think that having a certain degree of immorality in characters is a good thing.
 
Obviously if your characters are too bad or too good it becomes bland and contrived, but it adds depth.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:41 am

Doctorbug:
 
House is my favourite show. I've seen every episode, many of them lots of times.
 
No worries. I'm not having a go at you, or anything like that. I know it's hard to convey tone across in writing, but I'm pretty chill about this whole conversation :)
 
You are making sense. I think I understand what you mean. Like, why go over the top with "negative morals" when there's no need to? As I stated before, it doesn't bother me like it seems to bother you, but I guess that's just a preference kind of thing :) When it gets over the top and ridiculous though, then I start to go, "well, was that really necessary."

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:46 am

I agree with you Breece :) That's generally what I'm like with TV/movies/books.

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DoctorbugThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 1:15 pm

Breece6:
Yeah, that's what I meant. Browsing, not troll-trolling. LOL! Gosh, I'm so dull. I'm back in the dark ages when it comes to language, what with getting most of my vocab from books.
 
Jubilex:
Yeah, we're cool. I might watch House someday when I can get ahold of the movies or get netflix or something. I adored the first part of the show and when I watched snippets of the later episodes I was like "I have to so watch this someday."

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