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Mar. 30, 2013 at 6:49 pm

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.”
(2 Peter 1:19)
Prophecy is what the Seventh-day Adventist church was founded on, and is probably the strongest proof of the divine inspiration and authority of the Bible.
 It is my hope to acquaint you with the basics of Bible Prophecy and give you a glimpse of some important Biblical truths.
We'll probably go through books like Daniel and Revelation, and touch on different topics such as kingdoms, churches, Jesus, and his second advent.
Christians as well as non-Christians are welcome. I appreciate any input or questions.
If you think you’d like to participate in this study, please inform me by just a quick post. I want to get an idea of the interest level.
I’ll probably start the study tomorrow, but anybody can join in at any time.
Don’t worry, this should be fun, and hopefully we’ll learn a lot. :D
God bless. ♥

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RarelyJaded replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 7:22 pm

Not sure what an advent is. But sure, if it's a Bible study, I'll join :)

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half.note replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 7:41 pm

advent = coming
Yay! Well, that's one person.
I'm crossing my fingers that others will join in. :)

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KatsK replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm

What is the Seventh-Dat Adventist church, exactly? I could probably google it, but I imagine your answer would be more concise. I'm interested. This past year I definitely got more focused on God. I mean, I've been religious, but only half-hesrtedly until recently. Coincidentally, I'm taking a religion class about the bible currently (it's a requirement for graduation).

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KatsK replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm

*Day. And I'm a Christian, by the way.

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half.note replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 11:07 pm

Hey KatsK,
You have no idea how many times I've had to explain this, but I'm still happy to go through it again. :D
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a Protestant denomination, best known for its adherence to the seventh-day Sabbath. In other words, we keep Saturday as the Sabbath. Along with going to church on that day we also refrain from working, buying or selling, watching TV, etc.
Seventh-day Adventist's also believe in the sanctuary message, death being sleep, literal creation, Christ the Messiah, and the importance of health and the Eden diet (many Adventists are vegetarians or even vegans).
We are pretty conservative compared to other Christians (sometimes we are even accused of being legalistic), and we base all of our beliefs on the Bible, which we believe to be the inerrant and inspired Word of God.
Go ahead and read up on us on Wikipedia. They're fairly unbiased and much more detailed than me.
But if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. :)
May I ask why you are required to take a Bible class? I'm just curious because I go to a Catholic school and have to take Religion classes to be able to graduate, as well.
Also, are you going to be participating in my Bible Study? You're thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. :)
God bless. ♥

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JunieSparrow replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 11:27 pm

Count me in.  I'm always trying to get a better understanding of scripture! 

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half.note replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 11:29 pm

Amen! Glad you can join us. :D

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KatsK replied...
Mar. 30, 2013 at 11:49 pm

Yep, I go to a Catholic school. That sounds really interesting. Honestly, I'd never heard of such a branch of Christianity before. So, I'm assuming you're a fundamentalist then ... Yeah, I'll participate. *By the way, you're much better at convincing people to study the Bible than my school's priest. Apparently, smiling awkwardly and telling a group of thirty teenagers the first time you meet them that "it would be great if some of them would become priests/nuns" is kind of a turnoff. Who knew?

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half.note replied...
Mar. 31, 2013 at 12:54 am

Cool, so are you Catholic then?
I assume you live in the U.S., are the Catholic schools different there? (I'm Canadian, by the way). Catholic schools here are technically just public schools, but we have mass every once in a while and we take Religion classes.
And what about when the pope was elected, was everyone freaking out and really excited like at my school?
Anyways, I really shouldn't be derailing my thread before it starts but I think we have a lot in common; it's fun talking to you. :)
And yes, I would say that I'm a fundamentalist.
And don't feel bad about never hearing of Seventh-day Adventists, not many people have.
Well, I look forward to any future conversations, and I'm so happy that you are joining the study. :D
God bless. ♥

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half.note replied...
Mar. 31, 2013 at 6:02 pm

I am going to start now.
To begin, I will just introduce you to William Miller's Rules of Prophetic Interpretation.
Here’s a link below that will take you to a blank page. A prompt should come up at the bottom asking if you want to open or save the pdf file. Just open it (or save it if you want to), and you will have a short document of William Miller’s Rules:
h ttp://bit.ly/13Jw0gu
For those who are too lazy to follow the link and read all of that themselves, I will type out a simplified version:
1. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study (2 Timothy 3:15-17).
2. Every word must have it’s proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible (Matthew 5:18).
3. Scripture must be it’s own expositor, since it is a rule of itself. (Psalm 19:7-11; 119:97-105; Matthew 23:8-10; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16; Ezekiel 34:18, 19; Luke 11:52; Malachi 2:7, 8).
4. To understand doctrine, bring all the Scriptures together on the subject you wish to know; then let every word have it’s proper influence, and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in an error (Isaiah 28:7-29; 35:8; Proverbs 19:27; Luke 24:27, 44, 45; James 5:19; 2 Peter 1:19, 20).
5. God has revealed things to come, by visions, in figures and parables; and in this way the same things are oftentimes revealed again and again, by different visions, or in different figures and parables. If you wish to understand them, you must combine them all in one (Psalm 89:19; Hosea 12:10; Habakkuk 2:2; Acts 2:17; 1 Corinthians 10:6; Hebrews 9:9, 24; Psalm 78:2; Matthew 13:13, 34; Genesis 41:1-32; Daniel 2, 7, 8; Acts 10:9-16).
6. Visions are always mentioned as such (2 Corinthians 12:1).
7. How to know when a word is used figuratively. If it makes good sense as it stands, and does no violence to the simple laws of nature, then it must be understood literally; if not, figuratively (Revelation 12:1, 2; 17:3-7).
8. Figures always have a figurative meaning, and are used much in prophecy to represent future things, times, and events; such as mountains, meaning governments; beasts, meaning kingdoms; waters, meaning people; lamp, meaning  Word of God; day, meaning year.  (Daniel 2:35, 44; 7:8, 17; Revelation 17:1, 15; Psalm 119:105; Ezekiel 4:6).
9. To learn the true meaning of figures, trace your figurative word through the Bible, and, where you find it explained, put it on your figure, and if it makes good sense, you need look no further; if not, look again.
10. Figures sometimes have two or more different significations; as day is used in a figurative sense to represent three different periods of time. 1) Indefinite.   2) Definite, a day for a year.   3) Day for a thousand years
(Ecclesiastes 7:14; Ezekiel 4:6; 2 Peter 3:8).
11. Parables are used as comparisons to illustrate subjects, and must be explained in the same way as figures, by the subject and Bible (Mark 4:13).
12. To know whether we have the true historical event for the fulfillment of a prophecy. If you find every word of the prophecy (after the figures are understood) is literally fulfilled, then you may know that your history is the true event. But if one word lacks a fulfillment, then you must look for another event, or wait its future development. For God takes care that history and prophecy doth agree, so that the true, believing children of God may never be ashamed (Psalm 21:5; Isaiah 14:17-19; 1 Peter 2:6; Revelation 17:17; Acts 3:18).
13. The most important rule of all is, that you must have faith.
We will be abiding by these rules as we study, and I suggest you read through them carefully and look up the supporting verses if you have the time. As we are going through the Bible and our studies, if you think I am breaking these rules in any way, be sure to tell me.
That’s all for now.
Any questions or concerns?
We will probably begin studying Daniel in a day or so.
God bless. ♥

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JunieSparrow replied...
Mar. 31, 2013 at 9:38 pm

I don't feel like arguing semantics this early on, so I guess I'll just say those rules look pretty good.  Only thing is with 12. an event could be fulfilled to the letter but also have a second fulfillment yet to come. 
Daniel, eh?  Jumping right into the meat...  Are we going to read the whole book or just the "prophetic" chapters?

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Mar. 31, 2013 at 9:56 pm

Daniel? Cool. My youth group finished studying that book a few months ago.

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KatsK replied...
Mar. 31, 2013 at 10:04 pm

Indeed I am. Yeah, the Catholic schools here are private and get less funding. In my Catholic elementary school, we had religion every day and Mass every week. And the teachers' salaries and the schools' budgets are determined by the archdiocese. I live in a really Catholic area, where there are as many Catholic elementaries as public elementary schools. There's some statistic about my school that about 70 percent of the school is Catholic, which may be true, but I've only rarely met practicing Catholics, and fewer who actually believe. All of the Theology teachers were super excited, yeah. Reportedly, they all had the Pope-tracker app and they watched the live footage from the Vatican during their lunches. Other than them, though, no one else really cared. Pope Francis seems like a really cool guy. I'd like to get to know you too, half-note. All right, back on topic: So, I have some questions about this. So, is a day always more than a day, or is it ever simply a day? Because when it says that Jesus was tempted by the Devil when he was in the desert for forty days, that doesn't mean forty years, correct? And will we be studying the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament? Other than that, this basically makes sense. And yes, I was too lazy. It looked like a lot of reading.

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half.note replied...
Apr. 5, 2013 at 2:52 am

Sorry for the delay in posting.
I started back at school after spring break and have been too busy to reply.
I should have time this weekend. Expect it soon.
God bless. ♥

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half.note replied...
Apr. 6, 2013 at 7:35 pm

Okay, sorry for the wait. Here are my replies:
In answer to your question about rule #12:
Well, I guess it all depends on what you see as “prophecy.”
William Miller (who wrote the rules) was just talking about prophecies like the 70 weeks, the 2300 days, the 2520, etc. These always have one starting date, one ending date, and are fulfilled only once.
He is just trying to say that if all of the details described in the prophecy don’t come to pass (even just one), then that event was not a fulfillment of the prophecy and you must find a different event or wait for a future event that does fulfill all of it.
Actually, Daniel is pretty simple. I understand it a lot better than Revelation, at least.
And all of Daniel is prophetic, to some degree. But to start, we’ll probably study Nebuchadnezzar’s image (Daniel 3) and the beast kingdoms (Daniel 8).
We’ll be skipping around a lot since Daniel was put together in order of theme and not chronology.
Well, good. You should have some good insights on the topic then. :)
Not many people at my school are very religious either. I only know a few Catholics there who regularly attend church.
And we must be on different time zones because for me the white smoke started coming from the Vatican just before lunch ended, and I had religion right after and our whole class watched the live feed of Vatican square as we waited for the Pope to make his first appearance. It was actually really funny, though, because our connection wasn’t very good and every time it would freeze everybody would freak out. Nobody wanted to miss seeing who the next Pope was.
As for your question about a day being more than a day, well it’s not always the case.
Jesus did only spend 40 days in the wilderness and not 40 years, but that is because it was not a prophecy.
A record of an event will be literal. That means that if they say something happened and they give a definite time period in which it occurred, then a day will equal a day.
But when studying prophecy and God gives a certain period of time before something will happen, we always use the day for a year principle. That means that 1 day = 1 year.
Here are some verses that establish this principle:
“After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise” (Numbers 14:34)
[In this case, the Israelites were condemned to wandering for forty years in the wilderness because they had spent forty dies spying out the land.]
“And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.” (Ezekiel 4:6)
As well, a day can also mean an indefinite period (as in Ecclesiastes 7:14) or a thousand years (2 Peter 3:8). Again, it all depends on the context.
Am I making any sense at all?
And to answer your question, we will be studying all through the Bible. Only by comparing scripture with scripture can we come to fully understand the Bible. As rule #3 says, “Scripture must be its own expositor.” In other words, the Bible will explain itself, so we will be reading verses from all throughout.
God bless. ♥

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half.note replied...
Apr. 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm

Here’s some extra resources that will give you an idea of what we will be studying:
First is the 1843 chart. It was a prophecy chart created and preached by the Millerites (from which the Seventh-day Adventist church is derived). Here’s the link to a picture of it. I suggest that you save it to your computer so you can look at it while studying:
h ttp://w ww.ellenwhite.info/images/1843_chart.jpg
As well, here is a link to the 1850 chart (which I actually have hanging up above my bed in my room), which is basically a second version of the 1843 chart:
h ttp://3elijahs.c om/charts/1850chart.jpg
I predict that we will be mostly be looking at the 1843 chart since it has less writing and more pictures, and has more relevant information pertaining to our study. For Daniel, our focus will mostly be the statue and the beasts in the left corner. Take a look, these charts are very informative and interesting.
I think this study will work best if we each read the same section of scripture on our own and then study it out.
Here are some things you can do after reading:
1. Read it again if it all went over your head the first time. XD
2. Write down key words and points (or just take mental notes) and see if they relate to other Bible stories. Basically, try to find scriptures that have to do with what you just read.
3. Check out the 1843 chart and see if it talks about it at all.
4. Do a Google search! I will often type in some verses or a passage and just see what comes up. Just don’t believe everything you read, especially if it doesn’t seem to be supported by scripture (or logic!).
5. And don’t forget to pray (even before reading). Ultimately it is God who we are trying to learn more about and we sure could use His help in trying!
After studying, post your thoughts and verses or explanations that you found and we’ll all discuss.
Don’t be afraid to get confused, get frustrated, and ask questions.
Prophecy is no piece of cake, but I’m sure we will all learn a lot and be blessed by it.
To start, READ DANIEL 2
These verses are rather self-explanatory (literally! since verses 36-45 explain verses 31-35).
I just want to know your initial thoughts and your understanding of these verses.
(You can also take a peek at 1843 chart since it shows the “great image” and what it represents.)
Tell me what you think and bring forward any points that you found interesting or important.
God bless. ♥

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Doctorbug replied...
Apr. 7, 2013 at 9:26 pm

Count me in, half.note! Though, I probably won't get around to reading anything till tomorrow :(

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Apr. 7, 2013 at 10:21 pm

half.note: hope i'm not too late, but i'd like to join. i can read tommorow it's a little to late to start reading tonight:)
Shalom Alechiem and Barucha! and a waring you're going to get a hebrew perspective from me:P

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half.note replied...
Apr. 7, 2013 at 11:15 pm

Doctorbug and packerbacker:
By all means, you're more than welcome to join in. We just got started.
Read whenever you have the time (and sorry for posting so much :P).
So glad to have you!
God bless. ♥

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