I have battled over this question with many an inraged youth group leader, their face red and fist pounding on their Bible at the very thought that God could create sin. So now I'm taking it to the internet (because we all know the internet is the source of unbiased truth). Anyway, here it is
DID GOD CREATE SIN? Now I am not asking if God, himself sinned, but if God is the creater of ALL THINGS doesn't that logically mean that he created sin as well?
Logically, I guess so. But your over looking a very important question: Did God create cars?
This question is important!! Okay, its not important. But it is perfectly relevant. Did God create cars? No, I wouldn't say that. He created the necessary ingrediants for a car. He created the people who invented cars.
I wouldn't say that God created sin. He created the oppurtunity for us to sin. The choice. But it is the choice that allowed US HUMANS to create sin. :D
Hope that made sense.
Yes, that made perfect sense. We are on the same page. I often describe it as removing a stop sign that later causes a car crash. Though you did not directly make the cars crash you indirectly did, which is kinda the same thing in the long run.
God created us. He also created free will. He gave us the responsiblity for our behavior- He isn't responsible for what we do.
It's not like removing a stop sign, because a stop sign tells what to do or what not to do (cough cough scripture cough cough). God just made it possible for us to have the car. It's like somebody driving drunk, getting in an accident, and then blaming the car salesman.
God didn't create evil any more than light created dark or heat created cold. The absence of God, when people reject Him, is where evil comes from.
No, God did not create sin. God is holy and He would not create that which is contrary to His nature. Sinfulness is the opposite of holiness. It is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). God is the author of the Law which is a reflection of His holy character (Exodus 20). Therefore, God cannot create that which is in direct violation of the Law any more than a person can wish himself to be bigger than the sun. It just isn’t possible.
But, if God didn’t create sin, then where did it come from? This is a question that has been debated by theologians and philosophers for many years. I cannot say that I have any better answers than they. Nevertheless, let me venture a guess.
God created the conditions where free-will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against God (Gen. 3).
But God did not cause them to sin (James 1:13). In the freedom of their wills, each decided to rebel against God and sin entered the world (Rom. 5:12). God simply allowed the condition to exist where sin was possible.
^ those are not mis palabras.
Pero estoy de acuerdo :P
Creating and allowing are two different things.
He allows US to create sin, but he doesn't will that it happen, just that it be allowed to happen.
I agree with Contemplator and Imagine. Sin by definition deals with choice, and disobedience to God. It's a capability, not an absolute reality.
So... Then you agree with me too XD
I don't think God created sin. To me God is everything Good, but there has to be an oposition to all things. So if God is Good there must be evil, or sin, and the Devil is the oppoiste of God.
To me God put us on earth to choose good or evil. He allows us to sin to see if we will be Good like Him. But He didn't create sin and doesn't force us to sin. He gives us agency to choose.
Opposite implies equal. We did this in church. The pastor said "good" we said " bad", the pastor said "day" we said "night".... Stuff like that.
When he said "God" everyone said "dev.il". And guess what he said? WRONG XD.
The dev.il is not the opposite of god. His evilness does not equate to the depths of gods goodness.
Just nitpicking, but I had to make that point.
.... I'm saying opposite = equal but different. (In a nutshell, for this purpose).
Yeah, we agree, but some people might get the wrong idea XD
guardianofthestars: Just curious, but what religion are you?
In the beginning, God...
That's the first phrase in the Bible. Nothing but God existed. Satan certainly does not coexist with God.
God didn't create darkness, he created light, but darkness is just the absence of light.
God didn't create sin, he created goodness (or righteousness, or whatevs), but sin is the absence of...watevs.
That's how i look at it, at least. but that free will stuff makes sense, too, so...
^ wow, that was actually a pretty good answer. I didn't even think about it like that :)
I think of it a different way completely. God created everything, yes? then he also forsaw everything. which means he knew one of his angels would turn on him and become evil, which we know as Satan. so he must have fully intended for it to happen.
but here's the kick to it. God lied to Adam and Eve by telling them they would die for eating fruit from that one tree. Christians make claims that he was using a metaphor and meant they would die spiritually. but Adam and Eve were mere children in that since and would have understood no such metaphor, as they did not know evil nor punishment. Satan opened their eyes then, in that sense and taught them of the world around them. God had already created evil and sin, because he knew everything that would happen because he forsaw everything, as he is omnicient. Adam and Eve were merely the puppets.
I have read the Bible. that's why i'm Atheist. because the Bible makes no sense and Christians are usually very closed-minded and i hate it. Religion only binds the mind and people use it as a crutch.
Sweetblood: Just because some people who are Christians are closed-minded doesn't mean that they all are. I'm a Christian.I've known some super-irritating, closed-minded Christians and I've known Christians who are accepting of everyone. It's a spectrum. "Religion only binds the mind": So, you're saying that believing in a god and an organized set of traditions, essentially, restrains intelligence. I completely disagree. Religion has helped people debate for centuries, and some of the world's best thinkers have been religious. Religion can be limiting, but ultimately, it's a choice. You can choose to let it expand or diminish your outlook. "People use it as a crutch": Some people do, including my grandma. She is addicted to religion. But for every person who uses religion as a crutch or is closed-minded, there is probably at least one who is a good person and follows a religion because they believe it is the right thing to do.
Sweetblood, God did not lie to adam and eve. Because if he lied he would have sinned which means he wouldn't have been God. Because God is sinless and blameless. When He said that they would die it was more than spirital death. He was speaking of physical death as well. This is because if adam and eve hadn't ate the apple they never would have sinned and they would have lived forever with God. However, if they ate the apple sin would have invaded the garden and at some point they would die physically.
'Foreseeing' something is not the same as 'intending for it to happen.' I forsee that one day I am going to die. That does not mean that I want it to happen or that I am taking steps to make it happen.
God foresaw that Satan would rebel. That doesn't mean he wanted it to happen.