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Mar. 28, 2013 at 4:28 pm

we shall break it down:P
 
J-sus didn't contridict himself nor did he lie, he told a story, one they could relate too. so that a child could understand it, please qoute where you found that he lied.
 
alright ya wanns go crazy sounding, scientifclly(sp) spontanious generation has been proven wrong, so let me ask you, how did something come from a non-living rock? you see i believe the rocks are living, but scienntificall(sp) they're not. so the big bang theory contridicts itself there.
 
yep the geneology that was from adam to moses, that was roughly 2000 years. yes we've lived for a little over 6000 years, i was saying that the earth had only been around for about 2000 years at that time:) yes indeed it is false according to man's words, not Yahweh's. you see we're supposed to test man's words with the Bible, not the Bible with man's words.
 
oh yes it can be corrupted, in fact it has, but little do you know(figure of speech) the Torah, first five books have not been tampered with:)
 
many believe that i am a cultists, but i am not, just wanting the truth of Yahweh and Yahshua!
 
Shalom Alechiem and Barucha!

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RarelyJadedThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 28, 2013 at 4:59 pm

Where did he say Jesus lied? O.O
BLASPHEMY!!! I smell it! :P.

1 Peter 1:22-25 declares the Word ensures forever. God protects his word. As long as you're looking to the passage in Revelations warning us not to corrupt the Bible, we shall look at what else it has to say. Jesus IS the Word.....And the Bible is God's Word. How can we doubt the Bible and believe in Jesus? There are translations/versions of the Bible that are God's protected truth....just because someone corrupts the bible 1) doesn't mean they get away with it, even on earth and 2) doesn't mean God won't remedy the corruption. The passage only talks about the punishment for being naughty :P.

I AM PROUD TO BE IN THE JESUS CULT XD

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RarelyJadedThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm

Bump -.- you're not getting rid of me that easily :P

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm

 
Woah boy, lots to get to.
 
I'll start with Packer since he's so eeeeezzzzzzz :P
 
Packer:
 
He did tell a story, he did tell a story a child relate to, and because he was telling it in such a manner, it is not necessarily "literal" it is applicable.
 
Something didn't come from a non-living rock, that's not how abiogenesis works :0
 
The Big Bang theory has nothing to do with rocks either, I and several others have explained this to you countless times.
 
If the Bible told me that the sun was purple and the moon was made out of cheese, I wouldn't believe it.  I don't blindly believe things, I need a reason.  
 
I quote, for the world to see,
 
"Oh yes it can be corrupted"
 
If it's corruptible, I don't put my faith into it.
 
I put my faith into God who is incorruptible.  I don't need some book written by fallible men to tell me that.

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Apr. 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm

wow, i have to say that was the first argument that i've seen from you, that has no evidence:) and just how will you learn about G-d? through science? which is seriously corruptable...

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm

SIGH
 
FINE
 
I'll give ya some evidunce ;D
 
The evidence is when we see the beauty of God conflict with the fallibility of man.
 
We see evidence of God's great creation existing for BILLIONS of years through dating methods, the deterioration of light waves from stars far away, and the background radiation of the universe.  
 
Then we see humans falsely interpreting Genesis as a textbook meant to show us how God went about his incredible creation.  Genesis is an origin story, not a science textbook.  People need to stop using it like one, it's not meant to literally show us step by step what happened.
 
Here's the biggest problem with your belief system packer:
 
"How will you learn about G-d?"
 
You've been brainwashed into thinking that the Bible is the only way to know about God.  
 
Guess what, you can talk to him.  Yes, yes, I know, it sounds crazy.  How can a humble human like me be able to talk to the creator of the universe? 
 
That's the good news Packer, God loves you, he loves you enough to talk to you directly, not just through some book.  

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 7:13 pm

Jaded:

Why are we able to just push our sin onto the backs of others?

That's what sacrifices are for, to take the place of our sins, right?

Why is that so? Why can't we repent and be forgiven?

It seems savage and primitive to me to assume we need a blood sacrifice to pay for our sins.

Also, why would wanting to be blameless and not having free will make you unworthy of heaven? It's a win/win! I don't have a chance of suffering for eternity and I never let God down either!

I've heard from many a Creationist about the supposed "heaps of evidence" for the flood and dinosaurs, and every argument I've had (plenty, trust me) has ended in them getting mad at me for being close minded upon explaining why www.scienceisaliebelieveinthebible.com isn't a reliable source of scientific information :P

Your response about the sun was something along the lines of, "God can do whatever he wants", which I don't see as scientific evidence.

I don't remember your response about the firmament, I think you're getting it mixed up.

A firmament, by definition, is a "firm support", there is nothing "firm" about the sky, it's pretty much the opposite of firm :P

This goes for Jaded and Packer:

I've just accepted at this point that arguments of this nature get heated and you have to be blunt sometimes to get your point across.

I think we should all just agree to try and not get mad at each other :)

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 7:13 pm

 
Jaded:
 
Why are we able to just push our sin onto the backs of others?  
 
That's what sacrifices are for, to take the place of our sins, right?
 
Why is that so?  Why can't we repent and be forgiven?  
 
It seems savage and primitive to me to assume we need a blood sacrifice to pay for our sins. 
 
Also, why would wanting to be blameless and not having free will make you unworthy of heaven?  It's a win/win!  I don't have a chance of suffering for eternity and I never let God down either!  
 
I've heard from many a Creationist about the supposed "heaps of evidence" for the flood and dinosaurs, and every argument I've had (plenty, trust me) has ended in them getting mad at me for being close minded upon explaining why www.scienceisaliebelieveinthebible.c om isn't a reliable source of scientific information :P
 
Your response about the sun was something along the lines of, "God can do whatever he wants", which I don't see as scientific evidence.
 
I don't remember your response about the firmament, I think you're getting it mixed up.
 
A firmament, by definition, is a "firm support", there is nothing "firm" about the sky, it's pretty much the opposite of firm :P
 
This goes for Jaded and Packer:
 
I've just accepted at this point that arguments of this nature get heated and you have to be blunt sometimes to get your point across.
 
I think we should all just agree to try and not get mad at each other :)

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 7:50 pm

O: I promise i'm not mad....
 
and i'm not going to get close minded about the dinosaur thing. I've gotta lot of tests this week, but i'd be happy to get back to you during the weekend :P

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Destinee replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:33 pm

Dynamo quoted Sir Syed Ahmed Khan a few weeks ago, who said, "If there is a disagreement between the work of God and the word of God, then it is probably the word of God that is wrong." [not direct quote]
 
Just saying. (although I bet Sir Syed had a lot more to say in addtition :) )

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Destinee replied...
Apr. 8, 2013 at 11:35 pm

I agree with Breece! YAY Breece!!! :D 

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DynamoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2013 at 1:32 am

Desstinee: I got that from from a book by Akbar Ahmed, when I was studying a bit of Indian history..
I'd like to point out abiogenesis might be possible in a reducing,not oxidising atmosphere.

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Jade.I.AmThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2013 at 8:40 am

Lol guys, maybe u can use that as ur closing statement IF I lose this argument......but it ain't over yet :P

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Apr. 9, 2013 at 9:49 am

LOL do you claim to be a prophet Breece? so does G-d speak to you as he did with moses?

don't give me this carbon dating crap. alright for people who don't know how this works they measure the c14 in the rocks and they have this grpah sort of deal. and from how much c14 is in the rocks they draw the line over and that says how many years old it is:) like that is true science,lol.

it's not just some book, it says and i qoute, "


2 Timothy 3:16-17


New International Version (NIV)


16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.





not just some book! the Bible isn't the only way to learn about G-d. we can learn about him through science, but not theories. TRUE science, that can be repated and get the same result.





and since jaded seems to be procastinating, i will help her out.





the sacrifices did not take our sins away. it was a representation of the sacrifice of Yahsua, a foreshadowing of things to come. basically what the sacrifices where, is say you raised sheep, and you loved this very one more than all the other ones, then you sin. so you take the life of an innocent animal, which would make you cry and not want to sin again. see what i mean? if not ask me too elaborate.





we can repent and be forgiven, people have always repented even when the sacrifices where in place. but once Yahshua was crusified(sp) all sacrifices went away. and no he did not do away with unclean foods:P





i don't agree with free will so i won't go there.





hey breece, don't you believe that there was dinosaurs? there is scientific evidence for that.





the firmament in the sky, well it had not rained yet, and so there was a lot more oxygen in the air, and basically the earth was a big ball of pure oxygen:)

i'm starting to get a little more laid back:P but still working on it:)

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Apr. 9, 2013 at 9:51 am

LOL do you claim to be a prophet Breece? so does G-d speak to you as he did with moses?
 
don't give me this carbon dating cr.ap. alright for people who don't know how this works they measure the c14 in the rocks and they have this grpah sort of deal. and from how much c14 is in the rocks they draw the line over and that says how many years old it is:) like that is true science,lol.
 
it's not just some book, it says and i qoute, "


2 Timothy 3:16-17


New International Version (NIV)


16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.


 


not just some book! the Bible isn't the only way to learn about G-d. we can learn about him through science, but not theories. TRUE science, that can be repated and get the same result.


 


and since jaded seems to be procastinating, i will help her out.


 


the sacrifices did not take our sins away. it was a representation of the sacrifice of Yahsua, a foreshadowing of things to come. basically what the sacrifices where, is say you raised sheep, and you loved this very one more than all the other ones, then you sin. so you take the life of an innocent animal, which would make you cry and not want to sin again. see what i mean? if not ask me too elaborate.


 


we can repent and be forgiven, people have always repented even when the sacrifices where in place. but once Yahshua was crusified(sp) all sacrifices went away. and no he did not do away with unclean foods:P


 


i don't agree with free will so i won't go there.


 


hey breece, don't you believe that there was dinosaurs? there is scientific evidence for that.


 


the firmament in the sky, well it had not rained yet, and so there was a lot more oxygen in the air, and basically the earth was a big ball of pure oxygen:)
 
i'm starting to get a little more laid back:P but still working on it:)

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2013 at 11:46 am

Packerbacker:
 
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
 
I don't need a Prophet to help me talk to God, I don't need a Priest, and I sure don't need a Bible.  
 
There's only one mediator between me and God, one source I have to go through to speak to him, Jesus.  Not the Bible, Jesus.  
 
The Bible is not Jesus, it is a book.  
 
Using the Bible to cite it's own power and correctness is circular reasoning.  I won't respond to a circular argument.
 
Carbon Dating:
 
You didn't even present a real argument, you just said that drawing graphs isn't real science.
 
Also, Carbon dating is only one of many different dating methods
 
Here's a fairly useful list of them in alphabetical order, prove all of them wrong, then we'll talk:
 
ht tp://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Category:Dating_methods
 
Anticipated response:
 
a) ignore completely
 
or b) "WIKIPEDIA ISN'T RELIAABLE!!!"
 
The Wiki link is just a list, you don't need to use wikipedia as your source of information on those methods, it's just a handy list.
 
Like I said, quoting from the Bible to prove the Bible's truth is circular reasoning. That passage could have easily been put in the Bible by someone else, you even admitted that it's corruptible.
 
 
 
 
Ah, so the sacrifices were meant to make you cry because you're murdering innocent animals.
 
Seems like something God would want. /sarcasm
 
It just seems barbaric to me.
 
Why does sin require bloodshed at all though?  I still don't understand that.
 
I do believe there were dinosaurs :)  I just think they lived millions of years before people did :P
 
There's absolutely no scientific evidence to suggest that there was a solid mass of oxygen in the sky at one point, or that the Earth had a period in the last 6000 years where it did not rain. 
 
I always get heated during our debates too, we just gotta remember to be polite in the end :P

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2013 at 11:47 am

COOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
 
Get your fat Georgian butt in here.
 
Destinee:
 
:D

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ContemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 9, 2013 at 11:56 am

Breece: Are you argueing against your own opinion? I'm starting to lose track on what you believe in and what you pretend to believe in PT.
 
I just skimmed through all of your posts. I didn't actually read it. It seems that arguments on both side are recycled on a daily basis. So, it isn't like I'm missing out on anything. Right? 
 
I will attempt to answer you bloody question. (hehehe bloody). 
" WHy does sin require bloodshed at all though?" 
The shedding of blood means something. Maybe you can guess the mean if I phrase it differently: Spilled blood; River of blood; if blood=life then no blood= death. Jesus shed his blood for us= Jesus died for us. We deserve to die for sinning against God (need I quote scripture?). Jesus died for us menaing he took our punishment for sinning. 
 
That is it in a nutshell. Any questions?

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Destinee replied...
Apr. 9, 2013 at 2:00 pm

^ Only if you believe all sins' punishments are death.
 
Look, if one sin taints us so that we cannot be with a Holy God, i.e. one sin = H.ell [without a sacrifice], then Jesus in no way paid the retribution for sin. Because 3 days hanging on a cross with a crown of thorns and being beaten is still INFINITELY BETTER than all of eternity in H.ell. If you had to choose b/w being crucified for 3 days, and being separated from God (and all that is good) for ALL OF ETERNITY, you'd sure as heck choose the former. 
 
So to pay the retribution of sin, according to what you guys are saying about all sins are equal and lead to separation from God, Jesus should spend an eternity in H.ell. 
 
Unless someone thinks differently of course.. :P
 
Sorry for poking my agnostic Muslim butt in here....

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Destinee replied...
Apr. 9, 2013 at 2:05 pm

Or wait, was he dead for 3 days... how long did he hang on the cross again? 

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