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leafyThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 3:38 pm

It always surprises me when I find Christians (or people of Judeo-Islamo-Christian beliefs) think that the Big Bang theory is the craziest thing ever thought up.
 
It seems almost as if certain, more conservative Abhrahamists just want to deny science just for the sake of denying science.
 
Which is strange, since in the "old days," science and that sort of learning used to be thought of as a way to further prove your Christianity/Islam.

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Hi guys! Typing this on a phone on a car ride so excuse the lack of prettiness :) Kmeep and Packerbacker: If you havent taken Chemistry or Physics yet, I can almost gurantee they will blow your mind. Saying "That's crazy!" isn't an argument. Kmeep: You missed the point ofmy pot. Keep in mind I'm speaking hypothetically here but what I'm saying is that a cause is not necessarily necessary :). What I'm saying is that even the concept of a "cause" is not necessarily applicable because "causes" are a notion that requires time to exist. Think about it like this, we are human, and there are physical limitations of our brains that limit our ability to imagine. Can we imagine colors that don't exist? Nope, in the same sense we cannot imagine a lack of time either. Collin goes much more in depth about evidence in his post, I advise you to take a look, without the mindset of trying to automatically disprove it ;P

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RarelyJadedThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Collin: Like I said before, theories such as these definitely DON'T boot God from the picture, but as for evidene..... it  changes. ANd it changes in signifiance. For example, carbon dating. There are things that disprove its accuracy and that might point to accuracy. The difference is, the here and now. WE CANNOT RECREATED THINGS WITH ACCURACY. Big Bang, carbon dating. Call it scientific error or innaccurate knowledge, but when we actually try and implement our "theories" it comes out wrong. Look up problems with carbon dating if you don't believe me. How do we know if the things we think happened a bazillion years ago actually happened, when the things we do to prove it/recreate it don't work?
 
And anyway, the question Christians have to ask themselves is, does it matter? This is why I've been avoiding evolution and big bang threads: It doesn't:)

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kmeep replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 9:41 pm

Breece: Did you just say a cause isn't necessary?! How are you going to make anyone believe that? You just don't want to be proved wrong, is that right? There has been a cause for everything that has ever happened throughout history.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 10:52 pm

If something cannot come from nothing, where did the Big Bang come from?
 
Simple. God.
 
Like Collin said, this theory can actaully be used as evidence for God's existence. If the universe exploded outward from a single point, where did that point come from and why did it explode? Answer: God created it and caused it to explode. (Also, the universe is only about 13 billion years old. God is eternal. Thus, God predates the universe.)
 
packerbacker: The Big Bang created the entire universe. The entire universe is much, much bigger than the Earth or even our galaxy.

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 11:06 pm

imagine: i'm so delighted that you belive that the whole universe came from the big bang, because now i can ofically prove someone wrong on this thread:) oh and you belive the earth matter was spinning clockwise right? anyways that doesn't matter because this statement can work for the oppisite too. maybe something to think about:)
 
Shalom Alechiem!
 
on topic: alright so let's say the matter was spinning clockwise. alright i'm going to use the kids on mery'go round example as it is much easier to explain. so let's take some 4th graders and put them on the merry go roung and have the high school football team come out and push them CLOCKWISE. so we enter phase 1: 25 mph and kids are screaming "go faster go faster. phase 2: 50 mph kids just start getting sick. stage 3: kids are hanging on for dear life. stage 4 they all fly off.  what direction are they flying? clockwise right? so if the matter spun clockwise  then why do several other planets spin backwards. or vice versa.

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 11:07 pm

the end of the first paragrah should be on the end of the second paragraph:)

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

oh and shalom alechiem should be at the end:) sorry:( TI is wierd sometimes:)

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 7:03 am

Kmeep:
Since you seem be ignoring half of my post, I'm going to change my approach :P  
 
We don't know for sure where it came from, we just know it happened.  
 
Where did it come from in my opinion?  God.  
 
The point of my post was to illustrate the possiblity that a cause wasn't necessary due to timelessness.  Obviously you are either incapable or unwilling to grasp that concept so I recommend just taking the above answer.
 
Packerbacker:
 
There was no "swirling ball of matter".  Here's a nice site:
 
ht tp://www.big-bang-theory.c om/
 
If your question is "where did it come from?"  My answer is God.  But it's entirely possible that there's another explanation.  

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 7:06 am

Packerbacker:
 
Sorry, I had to come back to explain how ridiculous your last post was.
 
First off, even if there was a rotating ball of matter (there wasn't) how planets rotate wouldn't prove anything!
 
What if all the planets did rotate in the same direction at one point and then some of them crashed into things or got pushed around by the giant gravitational forces of other stellar bodies.  Space isn't perfect, things run into other stuff, stuff crashes and gets moved around.
 
Even if your original assumption was true that is about the weakest argument possible. 
 
Sorry for rudeness, just re-read your post and got a little worked up :P

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kmeep replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 7:14 am

Breece: There is no possibility. If there was a Big Bang (And there wasn't) it would come from somewhere, and you're right, God would be the correct answer.
 
However, God didn't create the world that way. 

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 9:58 am

yes i did re read my post it was quite stupid... i wasn't thinking about what i was saying:)
 
and yes G-d didn't create the earth that way he CREATED the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th maybe you would like to re read chapter 1 of the Bible it might just help you:)
 
Shalom Alechiem!

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RarelyJadedThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:35 am

Kmeep, your hurting yourself with your answers, bud. Try and maybe give some.... Evidence. Or at least a logical argument, instead of saying "god didn't create the world that way." Just curious, have you asked Him?

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:20 am

Packerbacker and Kmeep:
 
Ah, therein lies our disconnect :)
 
I don't believe Genesis to be literal, whereas you do.
 
However if the argument is from a purely scientific standpoint, the Big Bang udoubtedly happened. 
 
If your only argument is "The Bible says so", then like Galileo speaking to Catholic Church, I cannot help you, and can only hope that in time we accept that the earth is not the center of the universe like the Bible suggests.  :)

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:50 am

really does it? and if it is then is it literall. oh and the Bible says that the Bible is as a child can undrstand it so it means it is litearall.
 
SHalom Alechiem!

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm

Packerbacker:
 
Yes it does, here's a neat link on Geocentricism:
 
ht tp://hypertextbook.c om/eworld/geocentric.shtml
 
Apparently I've now converted you to believing the Earth is the center of the universe.  

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Destinee replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 12:45 pm

Packer, a child can understand the e.rotic Songs of Solomon?

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 1:18 pm

breece: this website doesn't prove anything
 
destinee: i knew you would go there and yes to your question. if they really think about it.
 
SHalom ALechiem

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Destinee replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 1:20 pm

Child must be wayy smarter than me since it took a few discussions with TI members for me to understand that the songs were an ANALOGY for tribal degradation. An analogy. Not literal.

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 25, 2013 at 1:40 pm

well that's what happens when you are in a different religion and christians sway you other ways. i for one think it is literal.
 
Shalom ALechiem!

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