You know christians set up their own Bible contridiction when they say they are not bound by the law. wil get into that during discussion.
Discuss: are we bound by the "old" testament law?
just a side note this is only the beginning of my third day on the forum and this is my 7th thread and 115th reply... Have fun for the next 4 years!:)
(First off, let me say that I do not intend to bash anyone or post anything out of emotion. I obviously respect everyone's beliefs and I am not going to condem or judge anyone based on what you believe. All that I intend to do is convey my opinions and beliefs and see what everyone else thinks!)
Okay, as I posted earlier, Galatians 3:10-14 is one of the best scriptures when dealing with the old law:
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[a] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[c] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[d] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Another good passage is in Romans 15:4:
4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.
Pretty much, when Jesus came to the earth to give his life up for the forgiveness of sins. The curse of the law was fulfilled and no longer do we rely on it. Now let me say this, the curse of the law is the fact that we needed an intercessor between God and man. In the temple, the curtain was a physical reminder of that barrier between us and God. The old laws were ways that us as humans could connect with God. We could only do so by following a rigorous set of rules and regulations. But now, since Jesus fulfilled the law, that barrier between us and God is no longer there and now we don't have to rely on rules and regulations to connect with God. Thus why the temple curtain was torn in two when the law was fulfilled. The only intercessor that we need to connect with God is His risen son, Jesus.
As the passage in Romans states, the law was never anything evil, in fact it was from God. We still should be striving to follow the commands that God has laid out for us, but if we don't follow those commands completely, we are not separated from God like the old followers were. Back in the old testament, they offered up sacrifices to God as their way of repentance. Now, we don't have to offer sacrifices since Jesus became the ultamite sacrifice. So basically, I'm not saying that we throw caution to the wind and don't abide by God's commands. In fact, we need to do the very opposite. But we are no longer "bound" by the law, meaning that our salvation is not according to how we follow the law, but by accepting the grace that Christ offers us. As Paul says in Galatians, "The law is not based on faith." If we try to live our lives soley by the ways of the law, then we will never be able to be looked upon as blameless because nobody can live up to the ultamite regulations that God has for us. But by living our lives through faith, and striving to strengthen our relationship with God, then the deeds will follow.
The key word is "relationship". One of the most important things that people don't understand about Christianity is that it's a relationship. In a relationship, a partner does not have a set of rules that they expect you to complete in order to maintain the relationship. They have expectations, but if they truly care about their significant other, they will certainly overlook their short comings in order to pursue an intimate relationship with them.
That is what our relationship with God is like. He has a goal for us that He wants us to strive for, but He forgives us when we fall short because of His ultamite goal to have a deep relationship with us.
That's why we should follow God's rules, but we can't rely on our efforts to secure our relationship with Him because we will always come short. Instead, we need to repent when we fall short, and embrace the grace that He offers us.
Every time I share that verse, the "Bold" goes crazy...Sorry about that guys.
well yes and no cause the laws have changed since then but it is gods word so idk
ht tp://carm.o rg/christians-bound-by-law
^ this is a great website for this topic :)
My standpoint is that Jesus's sacrifice fulfilled the Old Testament Law and now we are no longer bound by it.
Personal Question for packerbacker: Do you and/or your family have animal sacrifices? Just curious, since you seem to believe that the Old Testament Laws believe, it seems like you would.
breece: that is the most often thing that's asked of my family. and no we don't because Yahshua/J-sus was the ulitamte sacrifice but the other laws we do abide by. but their are certain laws that you can only follow in the land of Israel so they are irrelavent to us.hope that helps:)
a side note i don't have time to fully respond to everyone else i'm having a busy day. i will respond tommorow or tonight:)
I will reply when I get home from school. I already got in trouble once today for being on TI.... Grrrrr
Packerbacker, I'm going to call you pb because your name is long:). Are you Jewish? Or Christian.... Cuz if you're Jewish there's no point I this debate. O.o
did you read my belliefs thread?
No.... But I will now
Okay, so you're not. Did you read my reply on the other thread, before you started this one? It was very long and I would feel redundant posting it again:)
which theread was it?
The predestination one
would you allow me to copy paste it for reference?
I shall permit it, yes.
here is jade's response for reference:
Here's a couple of verses, I'll let you interpret them however you want. The words that are not scripture are not my own, but they explain what I mean and you can look up the referenced passages if you want. Here they are:
I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. (Joh 5:24, NIV)
If God is for us, who can be against us? Certainly not God, who did not even keep back his own Son, but offered him for us all! He gave us his Son—will he not also freely give us all things? Who will accuse God’s chosen people? God himself declares them not guilty! (Rom 8:31-33, GNB)
How great is God’s love for all who worship him? Greater than the distance between heaven and earth! How far has the LORD taken our sins from us? Farther than the distance from east to west! (Psalm 103:11-12, CEV)
Abolishment of the Old Testament Law was promised in Jer.31:30 and affirmed by the Word of God: that the law is to be abolished (2 Cor. 3:6-13; Eph. 2:15). The New Testament proclaims that Christ is the end of the law (Rom 10:4); for those who have faith in Christ - If you have faith, then you are not obligated to keep Moses’ law (which are the 10 commandments).
King James Version (KJV)
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Just to clarify for everyone else, I believe we are NOT bound by the Old Testament law.
i think i'm the only one that does unless there's any Je.ws here. but i do have to say mus.lims follow a similar law to the old testament law. actually might be stricter.
The last verse that was on my post.... What do you think of that? I've always been taught that the whole of Christianity was based on this idea. Hmm... I need a signature:(. Canadian bacon is good! (Because I am from Canada....) anyways sorry to get off topic:)