Me? What did I say?
"Is God a Moral Monster?" by: Paul Copan
Read it. A big part of the problem is that lots of evangelistic Protestants read scripture in such a way that they create a lot of anachronisms. Granted, this is something that I struggle with too. All the "My Kingdom is not of this World" and "Those who live by the sword die by the sword" stuff doesn't seem all that present there. But I guess Jesus found a way to reconcile em, huh? "I came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."
Interestingly enough, this was such a big problem to some early Christians that it led to a heresy teaching that the God of the OT was actually not the God of the NT, but His evil counterpart. It was either the Manichaeans or the Gnostics . . . I can't remember. What I get for learning what I know of church history from itunes U.
Lol. I might just read that:). Thanks! Since imaginedangerous isn't replying, do you think he was talking to me? I'm so confused O.o
*Facepalm* Never mind. They were actually the Marcionists, a faction of the Gnostics. Thank you, Google/Wikipedia.
And you really should read it. Might even have it at your library if ya live near a big city (they don't have it at mine, but there are more cows than people in my neighborhood).
And nah, I think you're good. I think packer made some comment about how Muslims "hate J.ews and want to destroy Israel" or something? I don't really know though. I avoided that thread since I already know more than I ever thought I would about Islam from talking to Destinee for years.
(P.S. She will talk to you forever. Don't start a convo unless you're really insterested. Cause then you'll have to fake being on vacation when you don't respond . . . ;) *Eat this note after you've read it.)
Lol, I would but I don't know how! :)
Here's some food for thought, if God has the right to kill, torture, or cause us suffering in any way because we are his creation and we sin against him,
does that mean parents have the right to abuse their children in any way they want to if they disobey them?
It seems like the same train of logic, don't ya think?
Collin: No, it's not, the parents aren't God.
Oops sorry I meant Breece, I was reading Collin's comments so I guess I had his screen name on the brain.
I agree with all of you, because I can't agree with myself :P that doesn't make sense...
COLLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: i asked it nicely i said qoute "why do most mus.lims(not all) ha.te the Je.ws and want to destroy Isr.ael?" and she responded nicely and wasn't ofended. so please don't single me out!
BREECE: PARENTS AREN'T G-D!
Sorry trying to get stress out!
wierd how the "u" in mus.lims got bolded. huh?
It's a sign. Look, this is just what happens when a bunch of teenagers are put on one forum and let loose... Hormones and egos do the talking. I wouldn't take it personally.
RARELYJADED!!!!: i'm joking:) yes but i needed to get that stress out:)
Yes what? .... And once again your method of de-stressing yourself floors me. Really? A religious forum? I mean, whatever works....
Breece: about your God and parents question, think about it like this.
If you were to create, say, some clay figures, would you have the right to destroy them? Of course! But if you were a clay figure, would you have the right to kill another clay person? No. Not the best analogy, but it's the best I can do for now. And before everyone gets all over me- "But I'm not a clay figure, and Breece isn't God!" That's not my point.
Who says clay figures don't have the right to kill each other? They're clay. Besides, they physically couldn't kill, or be killed... Seeming as you must have life in the first place. :) I'm just messing with you.
See, Artgirl, you are part of the problem---we need to quit this anti-clay attitude! The clays need their rights, too! They can't choose to be clay, they were born that way! This discrimination against clays have been going unchecked for far too long, and this needs to stop now. Who's with me for the pro-clay movement?
Okay, I will make a quick comment here because I feel this is a very important issue.
God is a God of love. In both the Old and New Testament.
Just always, always remember this: God loves the sinner not the sin.
I, myself, am trying to read the Bible cover to cover and am somewhere in Numbers (which is actually somewhat long, repetetive, and boring to read). I digress, I really don't find it to be that harsh. Could you maybe quote a couple verses you had particular trouble with?
Anyways, I will just explain why I think the God in the Old Testament is still a God of love.
First of all, it is important to understand the many metaphors for sin.
Leprosy, sickenes, dead bodies, and even a women's menstration were used to represent sin.
"Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:
Both male and female shall ye put out, without the camp shall ye put them; that they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell." (Numbers 5:2-3)
"Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty." (Levitcus 5:2)
"And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean." (Leviticus 15:19-20)
Of course, any of things by itself is not something that requires people to be thrown out of their homes or quarantined for a certain number of days. However, it is what these things represented that were to be avoided. That is, sin.
God gave a lot of these harsh rules because he wanted his people to understand the severity of sin.
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
They sacrificed animals, not because it would save them, but that they would understand that death and suffering is caused by sin, and that Jesus would pay the ultimate sacrifice so we might live.
Also, God does not change:
"I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed." (Malachi 3:6)
"Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows." (James 1:17)
Anyways, hopefully I can help reconcile any specific problems you might have. Feel free to ask.
God Bless. <3
I will quote you the verses I had trouble with tomorrow. Thanks for your reply, though. It's stuff I've heard all my life, I don't know why I'm suddenly doubting God now.
half.note: amen sister!:)