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Breece6 replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:48 pm

Ah, I understand having too many things on your mind.  I have a ton of schoolwork myself (D.arn you Alegbra 2.)
 
Just as an FYI, I certainly wasn't the one who asked for proof from the Bible :)

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:50 pm

well there you have it:)
 
Shalom Alechiem!

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Artgirl1999 replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 9:44 pm

Breece: I believe in creation, i.e. that God created the heavens, earth, and everything in them in six days. I agree with packerbacker, for the most part, about micro/macro evolution.
As for natural selection, well, I do agree that it exists, but not on the scale that Darwin suggested. In fact, did you know that on his deathbed Darwin said that he might have been wrong about it all? (I'll try to find more of that for my next post, or you might, because I noticed you have a bit of an obsession with links. But I digress.)
Also, last year I read a book for science about the natural selection theory. (Basically it was scientifically disproving that theory. I'm homeschooled, so I get to read all kinds of interesting, UNBIASED books.) Anyway, the theory is based on chance mutations, correct? For instance, a bird could mutate to get a longer beak which makes it easier for the bird to eat, therefore the short-beaked birds will eventually die out. Okay, that makes sense. But what are the chances of the mutation actually happening?
My book said that it's about the same chances as winning the Powerball Lottery every day for two hundred years in a row. As for the Big Bang Theory, I'll keep it brief. The world couldn't have come from nothing.
Any questions? (Well, it's you, Breece, so I know there will be questions.) :)
Packerbacker, good to see another sports fan. Am I spelling this right? Shalom Alechiem!

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Artgirl1999 replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 9:47 pm

Agh! Still no paragraphs!

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 9:53 pm

you spelled it just fine:) (it's different everytime:)
 
Shalom Alechiem!

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CollinF replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 9:54 pm

"The World couldn't have come from nothing."
 
I'm no Latin expert, but isn't that what creation ex nihilo means?

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CollinF replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 9:56 pm

And what was the name of the book, Artgirl? It sounds intriguing. There are actually a lot more books criticizing Darwin's theory than most everyday Joes realize, I think. 

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leafyThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 10:03 pm

 
(Collin:
Close, but ex nihilio means the opposite-- out of nothing, or in other words, creation out of nothing.
 
ex nihilo nihil fit, which is what I think you meant, means nothing comes from nothing, or in other words, the World couldn't have come from nothing.)

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Artgirl1999 replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 10:09 pm

The book is called Evolution: The Grand Experiment by Carl Werner. It's really fascinating.

And btw, that's where I read about the hyena-whale connection (or non- connection) for those of you who saw that post.

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Artgirl1999 replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm

A paragraph! I am so excited!*jumps for joy*

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CollinF replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 10:45 pm

Leafy:
 
Latin nerd. :p You're making me jealous. 
 
Anyways, I meant that ex nihilo means "from nothing." She said the world couldn't come from nothing, but she also (I think) believes in ex nihilo creation. So I wuz li' "What?"  

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CollinF replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 10:50 pm

Hmm. I might check it out. :) I hear "Darwin's Black Box" is pretty good, if you're hungry for more. Lee Strobel's "The Case for Faith" also has a pretty good section disputing it. 
 
Personally, I think video debates on youtube are the most enlightening thing. They don't take forever, and there's a lotta material packed into em.

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leafyThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 21, 2013 at 11:05 pm

Collin
Ah, I see-- to be honest, I didn't read the other post. I just saw Latin and came in XD. You're one of the few (as in only, off the top of my head) people I know to be jealous about me knowing Latin, actually. Except for the few friends who do take the language (a chunk of whom wished they hadn't), most of my friends make fun of me for taking a "dead" language. :P

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 22, 2013 at 12:09 am

Okay, sorry if some of my replies relate to stuff from, like, 5 pages back, but I’m trying my best here. :)

This is going to be long, so, just try to stay with me.


Here are my replies to older posts:

packerbacker:

In regards to the infallibility vs. fallibility of the Bible, I just want to say that people end up with different interpretations because they are not comparing scripture with scripture.
To understand a verse, we need to consider the Bible as a whole. Generally, one verse will answer or reinforce another.
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)
“For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” (Isaiah 28:10)


leafy:

Back on page 1, you asked me about how I explain the increase in life expectancy and height. Well, I believe it to be false.
I know only a couple people that are over 6’ 6”, but most are just around 6’. That’s not very tall when you consider that Adam and Eve were probably twice that. Also, records have not been kept long enough and of a large enough demographic for it to be completely accurate.
As well, people may be living a little longer (if you call a decade a long time), but their quality of life is less than what it used to be. In the past (I’m taking the last couple hundred years), once you got old, you got sick, and you died. Now when you get old and sick, they place you in a nursing home or extended care and put you on drugs until you finally die after years of medication and being bedridden. Trust me, my mom is a nurse and works at an extended care. They may be living slightly longer, but that’s only because modern medicine is allowing doctors and nurses to drag out there death.

In the Bible, some men are recorded to have lived for centuries. Do the years represent months? Doubtful, because then men would be having children when they were four or five years old.


Breece:

You had questions about the contradictions in the Bible.
I just bumped an old thread that Dynamo (whatever happened to him/her?) made a while back. The title is "Half.note". You probably remember it. The one about all the “contradictions” in the Bible that I was supposed to answer but never got around to.
When I have time (probably this weekend), I will post answers to those contradictions and hopefully that will help prove the infallibility of the Bible. :)


Redsfan:

You may not remember this (since it was a number of pages back), but you said that the Old Testament is not important and only applies to the Jews.

I strongly disagree.

Just think about all the times that the New Testament quotes from the Old Testament. I think it’s somewhere in the range of a couple thousand.

Also, Jesus in particular, quoted the Old Testament scriptures when being tempted by Satan in the Wilderness. That was how he was able to keep from sinning—by knowing the Old Testament.

As well, below is a story in which Jesus, after he had been crucified and risen from the dead, revealed to some disappointed believers that he was the Messiah by opening up the scriptures, which is the Old Testament:

“13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.”
(Luke 24:13-27)



Here are my replies to newer posts:

leafy:

It’s cool that you're learning Latin.
Since I’m Canadian and we’re a bilingual country (French and English being our official languages), I’ve always been interested in other languages. English is, of course, the best language in existence, but I also really like French. I’ve even taken a little bit of French in school.



Au revior, mes amis! ♥
(Good bye, my friends)

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 22, 2013 at 12:14 am

Okay, sorry if some of my replies relate to stuff from, like, 5 pages back, but I’m trying my best here. :)
 
This is going to be long, so, just try to stay with me.
 
Here are my replies to older posts:
 
packerbacker:
In regards to the infallibility vs. fallibility of the Bible, I just want to say that people end up with different interpretations because they are not comparing scripture with scripture.
To understand a verse, we need to consider the Bible as a whole. Generally, one verse will answer or reinforce another.
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)
“For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” (Isaiah 28:10)
leafy:
 
Back on page 1, you asked me about how I explain the increase in life expectancy and height. Well, I believe it to be false.
I know only a couple people that are over 6’ 6”, but most are just around 6’. That’s not very tall when you consider that Adam and Eve were probably twice that. Also, records have not been kept long enough and of a large enough demographic for it to be completely accurate.
As well, people may be living a little longer (if you call a decade a long time), but their quality of life is less than what it used to be. In the past (I’m taking the last couple hundred years), once you got old, you got sick, and you died. Now when you get old and sick, they place you in a nursing home or extended care and put you on drugs until you finally die after years of medication and being bedridden. Trust me, my mom is a nurse and works at an extended care. They may be living slightly longer, but that’s only because modern medicine is allowing doctors and nurses to drag out there death.
In the Bible, some men are recorded to have lived for centuries. Do the years represent months? Doubtful, because then men would be having children when they were four or five years old.
Breece:
You had questions about the contradictions in the Bible.
I just bumped an old thread that Dynamo (whatever happened to him/her?) made a while back. The title is "Half.note". You probably remember it. The one about all the “contradictions” in the Bible that I was supposed to answer but never got around to.
When I have time (probably this weekend), I will post answers to those contradictions and hopefully that will help prove the infallibility of the Bible. :)
Redsfan:
You may not remember this (since it was a number of pages back), but you said that the Old Testament is not important and only applies to the J.ews.
I strongly disagree.
Just think about all the times that the New Testament quotes from the Old Testament. I think it’s somewhere in the range of a couple thousand.
Also, Jesus in particular, quoted the Old Testament scriptures when being tempted by Satan in the Wilderness. That was how he was able to keep from sinning—by knowing the Old Testament.
As well, below is a story in which Jesus, after he had been crucified and risen from the dead, revealed to some disappointed believers that he was the Messiah by opening up the scriptures, which is the Old Testament:
“13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.”
(Luke 24:13-27)
Here are my replies to newer posts:
leafy:
It’s cool that you're learning Latin.
Since I’m Canadian and we’re a bilingual country (French and English being our official languages), I’ve always been interested in other languages. English is, of course, the best language in existence, but I also really like French. I’ve even taken a little bit of French in school.
 
 
Au revior, mes amis! ♥
(Good bye, my friends)

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 22, 2013 at 12:15 am

^ Oops, sorry that the spacing is weird. I had trouble with the filters. :P

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Breece6 replied...
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:53 am

Artgirl:
 
There will be questions :D
 
In this case I think a lot of the same arguments apply to you as they to Packerbacker. 
 
I think you and packerbacker have a habit of calling books that agree with your opinion "unbiased" :P
 
really doubt that the book you said was unbiased and I also doubt the part about chance mutations.  Have you taken Biology yet?  It's a great class, one of my favorite science classes because there's so little math involved.  You'll learn extensively about genetics and punnet squares and such, and mutations - SO MANY MUTATIONS.  There's a whole unit just about the different types of mutations.  
 
Anyways, as for the Big Bang, I'll respecfully disagree :)  I don't consider the Big Bang part of evolution so if you want to discuss that just say the word and I'll make a thread :P

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Artgirl1999 replied...
Feb. 22, 2013 at 7:57 am

OK, I see some confusion.

Collin: About the Latin thing, I believe that there was God and there was nothing else at the beginning of the world. Then God created the world from nothing,which is possible, because He's God. However, I don't think that the world could come into being without help from anyone or anything. I hope that's clear.

Breece: Actually, when I started reading this book, I thought it was written by an evolutionist! There are interviews and mini-bios of prominent evolutionists, (and a few creationists), and they present both sides fairly. I admit that while it's not totally unbiased, it's pretty darn close.

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Artgirl1999 replied...
Feb. 22, 2013 at 10:02 am

And no, I haven't done biology yet. I mean, I I did middle school biology a couple of years back, but not high school. That's next year or the year after, I think. (I'm in 7th/8th grade.)

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packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 22, 2013 at 11:33 am

breece6: as for the books i have never qouted a book. because i know every science and creation books are biased. and could you PLEASE start a thread for the big bang theory. i would love to prove that wrong. oh and mutations, yes mutations, i indeed have taken biology( you've probably guessed that since i'm in algebra 2:) but if a turtle has a mutation(very commonly used by biologists in our textbooks) then isn't stil a turtle. and another thing(my science teacher can't even answer this one.) since all animals and all living things came from a simple cell organism and a pre-something soup. than why can't they intermingle? i mean they can do there thing, but no offspring is broten forth. some food for thought:)
 
Shalom Alechiem!

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