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NaomiPikalek posted this thread...
Jan. 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm

Sharing drug needles is a huge contributing to the spread of diseases, so as a solution some clinics want to give out clean needles to junkies. What do you think about the idea of giving out clean needles away at clinics to try to prevent the spread of diseases like aids or any other illness?

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm

Think this would be a better fit for the News and Current Issues subforum, but I'll answer anyways :)
 
No, I think if they choose that lifestyle they have to deal with the risks.  Sterile needles can be sold or given away anyways though, no laws against it.
 
I just don't think we should go out of our way.

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NaomiPikalek replied...
Jan. 8, 2013 at 11:55 am

 i thnk they should. if a druggie gets a sickness then they can affect almost anyone, even people who dont do drugs.keeping drug addicts from getting sick could protect alot of people. i understand your point of view, however i must respectfully disagree.

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 8, 2013 at 5:36 pm

I of course respect your opinion as well, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one :)
 
Just to put in a little justification to my point though, I think sterile needles should be available, perhaps they could be sold in drug stores, but I don't think our government should go put a huge amount of effort out to supply every druggy with clean needles, too much effort and taxpayer money spent doing something that encourages drug addiction (albeit slightly safer drug addiction) for my taste.  
 
 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jan. 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm

I agree with Breece. Supplying clean needles fixes a symptom (disease) by making the underlying problem (drug abuse) worse. It's like beating someone over the head to reduce a headache. They're unconscious now and can't feel the pain, so the problem is solved.

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 8, 2013 at 11:09 pm

The minute taxpayer money is spent on sterile needles and condoms is the minute I join the (surprisingly large?) anarchist club on here.
 
How many more impressionable kids would be pursuaded to do heroine when their "friend" has the line "Dude, don't worry, I got these needles from the clinic. It's not like you'll get diseases or anything" in his pocket?

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JunieSparrowThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 9, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Uh, Collin, you can get free condoms from your local (government funded) Health Center. 
 
Just sayin'

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 9, 2013 at 6:51 pm

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE BEST GOVERNMENT IS NO GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jan. 9, 2013 at 7:32 pm

:D I knew it was going to happen some day. human will be excited.

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 9, 2013 at 8:52 pm

Despite there being similarities between the concepts behind giving out sterelised needles and giving out con.doms, there is a rather large difference between the two. Drugs are illegal (the ones that are being covered in this case at least) and sex is not (unless you're under age, but those laws are somewhat loosely enforced).

Even if you don't believe in sex before marriage, or contraception, etc etc etc, it still makes a whole lot of practical sense to give out free con.doms. I believe that contraception should always be available to people who want it, in some form, and condoms are by far the most effective contraception against STI's for heterosexuals. They're pretty good at protecting against pre.gnancy too if used correctly ( not as effective as the contraceptive pill, but that doesn't protect against infection). It seems like a pretty simple choice to me. People are going to have sex anyway. It's not illegal, and it's not really looked down on as a whole by society. So might as well make sure it's safe.

Drugs are a different ball park to me though, as they are illegal. In addition they're poison. Sex is neither of these things. Giving out sterilised needles allows for the "people are going to be doing it anyway, so might as well make it safer" clause that the free con.doms upholds, but that's where the similarities end for me. It's difficult for me to decide whether this is something will have a positive influence or not. Illicit drugs are illegal for a reason and because of my aversion to them, I don't like the idea of making it easier for people taking them. But at the same time, if they're going to be doing it anyway, then it could be beneficial to offer sterilised needles. Might actually end up being cheaper for the health care system as well (chronic diseases like Hepatitis cost a lot of money to treat!).

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JubilexThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 9, 2013 at 8:57 pm

 
Despite there being similarities between the concepts behind giving out sterilised needles and giving out con.doms, there is a rather large difference between the two. Drugs are illegal (the ones that are being covered in this case at least) and se.x is not (unless you're under age, but those laws are somewhat loosely enforced).
 
Even if you don't believe in se.x before marriage, or contr.aception, etc etc etc, it still makes a whole lot of practical sense to give out free con.doms. I believe that contr.aception should always be available to people who want it, in some form, and con.doms are by far the most effective contra.ception against STI's for heter.ose.xuals. They're pretty good at protecting against pre.gnancy too if used correctly (not as effective as the contra.ceptive pill, but that doesn't protect against infection). It seems like a pretty simple choice to me. People are going to have s.ex anyway. It's not illegal, and it's not really looked down on as a whole by society. So might as well make sure it's safe.
 
Drugs are a different ball park to me though, as they are illegal. In addition they're poison. S.ex is neither of these things. Giving out sterilised needles allows for the "people are going to be doing it anyway, so might as well make it safer" clause that the free con.doms upholds, but that's where the similarities end for me. It's difficult for me to decide whether this is something will have a positive influence or not. Illicit drugs are illegal for a reason and because of my aversion to them, I don't like the idea of making it easier for people taking them. But at the same time, if they're going to be doing it anyway, then it could be beneficial to offer sterilised needles. Might actually end up being cheaper for the health care system as well (chronic diseases like He.patitis cost a lot of money to treat!).

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm

Nice to see ya agin, Jubilex. Always a pleasure. :)

Anyways, they're the same in the sense that they're disease-preventing agents. My problem isn't that society's having s.ex. It's that somehow we feel the need to fund it. Which, in the words of Rush Limbaugh (though I don't agree with most of what he says by any means), makes the Federal Government a huge pimp. We've been funneling tax money into the system for millions of things ever since Hamilton got his grubby hands on the system. What has it gotten us? Debt. Lots of it. Always we're promised the government can solve the problem by spending more on certain things, and always we're disappointed. The debt has only been significantly reduced once, and that was by Jefferson, a political Conservative who would have thought you were joking if you implied the Feds should hand out condoms for free.

I also believe contraception should be available, but I also believe every sexually active American has access to 50 cents and a cheap gas station. If you're goin bankrupt on that budget then we should spend condom-funds on a program to start shipping people to Amsterdam.

S.ex is good for society within the confines of marriage. Drugs are good for society when we use them to cure diseases. I do not and will not support the use of these things in hedonistic ways, and I certainly won't support any measure that supports it, even if such a measure is conceived with good intentions.

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JunieSparrowThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 11, 2013 at 9:09 am

lol.  Welcome to the club, Collin.  xD

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