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Hannibal_the_Vegetarian_Cannibal posted this thread...
Dec. 27, 2012 at 3:16 pm

What do you think reality is?

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Dec. 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm

You sound like Dominic Cobb. =P Sorry, these kinds of questions always make my brain swirl, ever since I saw Inception. XD

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JunieSparrow replied...
Dec. 28, 2012 at 9:48 am

What is reality?  Reality is what we think we perceive with our senses.  Whether reality is real or not is another question.  Perhaps this clip will clarify. 
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Dec. 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Bekah: XD I know how you feel! That movie totally messed with my brain...but it was AMAZING!
Junie: I can't look at that right now, but soon I shall! But also...is it really? Is it what we percieve, or are our senses limited and imperfect and incapable of viewing reality fully?

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Dec. 29, 2012 at 5:14 pm

Junie: Wow....I guess that does make sense. Reality is what we percieve, and we can change it (*is feeling like someone from Inception again* XD) But I still hold by my other point: Is the reality we perceive the true reality, the only reality, or is there something beyond it.
Also, another question to put out there: If reality is what we percieve, then does everyone have their own reality? No one experiences things the exact same way...and that would also show that their is one, higher reality that we are unable to percieve because our senses are incapable of that. So we have what we believe is "reality" but is really a twisted, unnacurate view of the true reality.
Or am I just crazy?

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JunieSparrow replied...
Dec. 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm

Since we're questioning definitions, what is "crazy?"  xD
Yes, there is probably a "true reality" out there.  I'm sure you're familar with Socrates' Shadow Cave allegory.  That's just one theory of reality, one way of dealing with the fact that our perception is limited. 
I think that's the fundamental thing to realize: That we cannot perceive complete truth.  If we could, we would know what truth and reality were.  But all we can see is mixed up bits and pieces.  
Okay, I'd better stop.  I'm confusing myself!

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half.note replied...
Dec. 31, 2012 at 1:32 pm

I think it's pointless to question reality. We experience what we experience. We can't change how we percieve things.
I mean, just look at the definition of reality itself.
It took me about 5 seconds to look it up on Google. This is what I found:
1.  The world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them: "he refuses to face reality".
2.  A thing that is actually experienced or seen, esp. when this is grim or problematic: "the harsh realities of life".
Reality is that which is real. That’s the definition of the word.
I guess we just have to trust that what we are experiencing is real.
I've never had any other reason to believe otherwise, so I'm sure reality is pretty solid.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jan. 1, 2013 at 1:17 am

Can we perceive reality perfectly? I don't think so- but we can come pretty close.
Does that mean that there is no one reality? I don't think so either- reality is objective. We may not always be able to understand it, but there is only one reality. Absolute truth exists.

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JunieSparrow replied...
Jan. 3, 2013 at 2:55 pm

I've been thinking a little bit more about this.  Here's sort of an example of "reality." 
I look at a flower.  It looks kind of reddish orange, a little bit darker toward the center.  A deer looks at the same flower.  It doesn't have color vision, so it looks kind of grey.  A bee looks at the same flower, and sees the ultraviolet guide lines. 
Who sees the Real flower?  We each see something different, but it's the same flower.  None of us see everything there is to see, but each of us sees some part of it.  In the same way, each person can perceive some "reality," but it's only part of the true Reality. 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jan. 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm

I agree, JunieSparrow. Nobody can see the real flower, but that doens't mean that the real flower doesn't exist.

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Jan. 4, 2013 at 4:26 pm

Junie: Haha, I've found another person who likes to redefine words! XD Crazy is everyone who is not yourself. Becasue technically the only "normal" person is yourself because that's ... yourself, so therefore everyone else is crazy! *harumphs and continues petting pet unicorn.
Yeah, the cave idea has always made sense to me. I've always wished I could see something beyond the shadows, be like one of the unchained people in it. But oh well. XD
It's kind of hard though. Knowing that there's something out there that is more real than what we percieve. Something out we can just imagine, we can want, but we'll never have becasue our brains aren't capable of it, or if they are, we can't use the parts that can truly see. I feel sort of like a kid left out from playing, you know? Like, they can imagine how fun it would be to play with the others, but they can't join in, so their whole life they're stuck with imagining and never knowing what it's truly like. Meh.
I think too much, don't I. I sometimes drive myself a little crazy by thinking. XD I'm insane (now tell me, what is the definition of insane? XP)
half.note:  It may be pointless, but doesn't everyone do pointless things sometimes? :P
Also, that is a definition other humans, other people. They see reality different from you. It may just be a tiny bit, but no one else sees the world exactly the way you do. No one has the same eyes, ears, nose, nerves, or tongue as you. (I just realized how weird that sounds....XD) That definition of reality is the widely accepted definition of reality by most English-speaking peoples. But just because people accept it as so doesn't make it so. Like for instance, in German. "gross" means big. In English, it means disgusting. Now, which is right? Both of them are. Just becasue to german people, gross is big, and to english it's disgusting doesn't make it not mean one or the other. (Sorry that's so confusing; my thoughts never seem to come out right.) We believe reality is what we percieve. And that's true. But I think there's also something beyond that. Because if we just believe in what we can percieve, there are seven billion different realities out there. Two people might argue for hours over which exact color a tree is, brownish green or yellow-green and never come to a descision...because they can't. They are both right. So if person A tells person B to "face reality", B may face reality, but not person A's. They are facing there own reality, which may be very different from person A's, because maybe A is a realist (now that word confuses me) and B is a dreamer, and B sees the world differently.
Okay. I don't really know what I'm trying to say. I think I just basically said what you said over and repeated myself a lot. :/ My mind is a mess (ooh, alliteration!)
And I believe you. Reality IS what is real. But what if, as a human being, you cannot percieve truly what is real? So there IS reality out there, you just percieve it imperfectly. Because otherwise we're stuck with seven billion different "realities", realities which everyone thinks that THEY are right....and that's not even counting animals. Also, what about animals that can see different colors than us? Are those colors not real because we cannot percieve them? And if  you wanted to get more into that, what about things like synesthesia, color blindless ect.? Are the things synesthetes see not real because mostly everyone else can't see them? And if you wanted to go further, what about things like schizophrenia, medical conditions were people hear things, see things, percieve things that everyone else doesn't, that everyone else says is not real. What if schitzophreniacs (I hope I spelled that right...) just can see a farther part of reality than everyone else?
The things you are experiencing ARE real. They are real, although I believe they are an imperfect view of true reality. So then why do people tell others who hear things or see things that they are crazy? That those things are not real. If what you percieve is real, why aren't the voices some hear considered "real" by everyone else?
I think true reality is a solid thing, but our realities are not. Like, I wear glasses. I used to not to. So therefore, my reality now at age 14 is different from the reality I saw at age 8 when I had better eyesight. People's realities change all the time. Even from one second to the next, we do not see things the exact same way.
Okay, I mind-barfed on you. Sorry. I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say though. :P

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UglyMushroom replied...
Jan. 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm

I believe that the only reality is that we can't know anything. Everything---objects, events, history, thoughts, religions, beliefs, even the universe--EACH THING is only one possibility out of an infinite number of possibilities. That means that the chance that everything we experience or believe is real is infinitely close to 0. We live in a box. Inside this box is everything we think we know. No matter how much bigger our box gets, there is still an outside world that we cannot see. Even God (if there is a god) lives in a box. It is said that he knows everything, but how could He know if there are not other universes other Gods created, or if He was created by another God entity that He has never known of. Or, think of it this way: there's always, ALWAYS the possibility that this is all a dream.

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half.note replied...
Jan. 27, 2013 at 11:15 am

Oops, I forgot about this thread. Sorry, Hannibal. I've been meaning to post a reply.
(Better late than never, right?)
Well, here it is:
Okay, I agree you to a certain extent. (Though, in English "gross" can mean big. Such as a "gross overestimate".)
Anyways, that's not the point.
My point is this:
Just because Person A and B perceive the tree to be different shades doesn’t mean that the tree is two different shades. There is still only one colour, one reality. However it is true that Person A and B have different perceptions of this reality, but from the definition of the word “reality” we can’t really say that each person has their own reality based on how they view the world. And who knows, maybe Person A and B are seeing the same colour on the tree and it’s only their past experiences and personal definitions of the colour that affects how they describe the tree in different colours.
I actually had a similar thing happen to me. My sister and I disagreed about what colour her bed sheets were. I was convinced they were yellowish off-white, while she argued that they were a light-yellow brown.
Does that mean her bed sheets were both these colours at the same time?
The only reason my sister and I argued about the colour was because we had different definitions of what the colours could entail. I don’t think our eyes actually saw the colour any differently.
Besides, colour is a very arbitrary thing, anyway. It’s just light reflecting off certain surfaces at a different wavelength. It doesn’t really mean anything.
Now, if Person A thought the tree was an elephant and Person B thought it was an alien, that would be a different story...

Okay, I hope I’m making sense, and that this post didn’t come too late.
God bless. <3

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Breece6 replied...
Feb. 3, 2013 at 3:51 pm

ht tp://bit.ly/LbhC84
^ remove the space
All the problems of the universe are now solved.  You can all go home, everyone with a degree in philosophy can go back to working at McDonald's, and we can all stop worrying.  

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packerbacker12 replied...
Feb. 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm

how did you do that? that is awesome!:)

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:13 pm

I think Breece has a new favorite meme...

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An-eloquent-leaf replied...
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:49 pm

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packerbacker12 replied...
Feb. 19, 2013 at 8:37 am

thanks leaf:)

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