NaomiPikalek, BlackNether12, and everyone else who's posted in this thread:
Thanks for all your support! This really is an amazing community. I know I've said it before in this thread but I just feel like I should say again that I despite my occasional contemplation or thoughts, I definitely plan not to commit self harm or suicide.
Thanks again for all of your encouragement! :)
Just for the sake of the discussion...
You said: "What if there were unique circumstances?"
As long as there is possibility (however improbable) for life, then suicide is wrong IMO.
Assisted suicide devalues human life and dignity. Also, it could be used very easily to persuade weaker members of society, i.e. the aged, to kill themselves off for the sake of the younger generation or whatever.
I can't think of more unique circumstances :S Perhaps my age is making me less imaginative. *tears*
well im happy you choose life over death or hurting yourself... if you ever need anyone to talk to, ill be here!!! :D
I don't have the time to type up all the reasons on why suicide is the route I'd advise against, Breece, (and I didn't read the previous posts so for all I know someone already said this) but I will say that even if you think no one would care or even notice your death, you're wrong. Suicide affects tons of people---parents, siblings, classmates/coworkers/bosses/teachers/et cetera, even children and grandchildren. And not in a positive way, I might add.
I don't know if you ever saw "Best Exotic Marigold Hotel." It came out a year or so ago, and although I'll grant it was a bit silly, there was a quote that struck that I still remember---and, the more I've thought about it, that I believe:
"Everything will be all right in the end...so if it's not all right, then it's not yet the end."
It sounds like you're doing better now, but I know how thte feeling can often swing back and forth. If you ever need someone to talk to, feel free to send me an email. Or anyone here, I think I can safely vouch for. :)
You're getting old just like Alex :P
I agree with you, but I'm not convinced that applies to all situations, have you ever read Of Mice and Men by any chance? Granted it is fiction but I think the principle still stands. If you haven't read it I don't really want to spoil it in case you want to, but in short someone has to kill another person in order to spare them a much more painful death that is imminate.
Sort of like those army tales you hear where someone has been horrificly injured in a battle and their friend is forced to shoot them out of mercy becaues there's no hope.
Again these are extreme and rare circumstances but still :P
Love that quote, and thanks for the support, I agree with you things do change sometimes.
Or, while we're listing examples, those cyanide pills that show up in spy movies.
I, quite honestly, didn't bother to read through all the posts, but I didn't see any that actually said suicide was OK.
1. Someone mentioned that everyone in the world has someone who loves them. Is this necessarily true? I think there are people who have nobody who is there for them, and people who may even be abused by those who love them (situations like these are actually not that rare). I would never advise someone to commit suicide in a situation like this, because most of the time, things will get better, but you have to understand that some people live in a world with no hope. There are young people who have no future ahead of them.
2. There are also cases where things are absoloutely, 100%, definitely NOT going to get better. Terminal Illness. There are people in the world who suffer from diseases that will inevitably kill them sooner or later, often in a slow and painful way. A lot of these people believe it would be less painful for both them and their families if they commit suicide and get the whole thing out of the way.
3. Aside from the fact that there ARE situations in which death is easier to take than life, I don't think that suicide is immoral in any case. the act of commiting suicide is a sad, difficult and oterwise horrible thing, but people usually have their reasons. At the end of the day, I don't think it should be up to any body but that person whether they do it or not. I do feel sorry for those who cared for and loved them, but as I said, people have their reasons.
Each day is a gift, a perfect set of 1,440 minutes, as imperfect as those minutes may get. So yes, it's morally wrong, yet at the same time it isn't. After all death is an essential part of life. What disturbs me most is all of the music about suicide.
squadge: Do you believe in a moral system? Or do you think that morality is subjective.
Just curious. :)
I totally agree with you, squadge. I just think that suicide is an important decision that must be thought deeply over and talked about with your loved ones before a decision is made. And I'd just like to say, just food for thought, to those who say suicide is selfish--are the loved ones not a bit selfish for keeping a suicidal person in the hell theyre living in, just so that they don't lose them? It's like keeping someone on life support when in their will it says not to. PS, breece, I hope and pray that you feel better! I know what it is like. PPS, i didn't read all the prior posts either, just skimmed :/
I suppose it must be subjective, because people disagree on it, but then there are still certain things which everyone would agree is wrong (murder that is unprovoked for example) and are in that sense not really subjective. Then again it's not something where two people can really agree to disagree, because laws are based on what people think is moral and immoral. It's a difficult question. :) What about you?
Contemplator hasn't posted in awhile, so I figured I'd put my input in :)
(I'm Breece6 by the way)
I MEAN NO, I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS BREECE6 IS.
Anyways, so I thought I'd mention that just because people disagree on something doesn't make it subjective. After all, some people could just be plain wrong :)
Also I think you'd be surprised how many of your conceptions about moral problems that people agree on upon (i.e. unprovoked murder) are actually fairly debated in their own right.
For instance a lot of people who have been through shockingly violent experiences (criminals, murderers, soldiers, etc.) often become de-sensitized and do not feel the same moral affliction about killing someone. Granted, those kinds of people are usually considered mentally disturbed, but that could just be because of our societies global stigma.
Also consider that due to the global-ness of our world's cultures (due to instant communication and transportation) a lot of cultural stigmas carry over.
However the extremes of morality still differ in opinion today, consider the fact that arranged marriages are often looked at as horrible, immoral, primitive practices by Americans, but are perfectly accepted in some countries like India.
Anyways, just me rambling :P
I do hope Contemplator comes back though...