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Breece6 posted this thread...
Dec. 4, 2012 at 2:49 pm

I've been going through some depression lately (I've posted in the Depression thread in the Health Section if you want to discuss or learn more about that) and came across a question.
 
Is Suicide Wrong?
 
I'd like to hear some opinions on this, don't hesitate to use religious justifications or reasons either because they are very relevant to this question. 

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Destinee replied...
Dec. 4, 2012 at 4:56 pm

I have an exam in 2 days, so I'll reply after that.
 
Feel free to email me if you want to discuss your "issues" in private :) I'd be glad to help, since I think I can at least partially empathize with what you're going through right now. 

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Viridian replied...
Dec. 4, 2012 at 8:37 pm

Yes, i believe it is. EVERYONE has at least one person who likes them, cares about them, or at least would be sad if they died. If i kill myself, i stop suffering, i stop feeling pain, but my family, friends, and teachers are all at least a little sad i died, and all probably think i didn't care about them. I don't think i'll ever understand why youngbpeople- teenagers, even, choose to kill themselves because of a temporary setback like bullying, when they obviously have so many people who care about them. I mean, don't any of them care about their parents and siblings and friends and futures that get hurt by them dying? My two cents there, sorry if i offended anyone. :/

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Viridian replied...
Dec. 4, 2012 at 8:38 pm

And sorry about your being sad, Breece. :( I'll pray for you.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Dec. 4, 2012 at 8:41 pm

Yes, because life is a gift from God and rejecting it is both incredibly ungrateful and purposefully disobedient to His will.
 
Even if you aren't religious, life is still a scientific miracle, and destroying it is a horrible waste. Also, killing yoruself is avoiding the problem instead of solving it.
 
So whether you're religious or not, I think it's morally wrong. Just don't do it.

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Breece6 replied...
Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Thanks Destinee!  I might email you actually, might help.  
 
Thanks Viridian, I agree with what you're saying. 
 
I agree with you too Imagine.

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Destinee replied...
Dec. 7, 2012 at 8:41 pm

K, I didn't realise but I have exams on Mon/Tues too that I just started studying for (UGHHH) so I'll reply after that, I swear.
 
Breece, I look forward to it :)

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savetheplanet replied...
Dec. 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm

Yes, I believe it is.  Although I can empathize with people who commit suicide, I don't think it's right.  Oftentimes our pain is a lesson that will lead to better things in the future.  If you commit suicide, one you never learn what you were meant to, and two you lose the chance of experiencing what good might have been coming.  And even if whatever evil you're experiencing doesn't go away, isn't feeling pain in and of itself a miracle?  That you can feel something?  And experience something?  Know that you're human?  But I seriously doubt that everything at this point in time is bad, there's always something out in the world around you that is good.  Someone who loves you, or seeing something amazing in nature, idk anything.  That's what I always do when I've been feeling really down and I don't neccessarily see a way out.  I remind myself of the good things I have that I take for granted, I pay attention to my surroundings searching for that amazing thing that I never noticed before, just a small act of human kindness will do to remind me that life is a gift and there is bad as well as good.

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Breece6 replied...
Dec. 8, 2012 at 9:31 pm

Liz :D
 
Been a long time, I agree with you on your points.

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half.noteThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Dec. 9, 2012 at 10:15 pm

 
Breece:
 
I hope you are doing all right. I know it's been a long time since we've talked, but I still think and pray about you.
 
Are you asking this question out of mere cuiousity or are you actually considering suicide? I'm praying it's the former rather than the latter.
 
Anyways, I've had personal experiences with depression. My mother and oldest brother both suffer from it, and while I haven't noticed it too much in myself, I know that if things were to go wrong, it may become a problem for me. There's no doubt that I have a personality prone to depression. Only by the saving grace of God am I not experiencing difficulty.
 
And suicide is definitely a very selfish thing to do. Even if you feel like there is no one who cares, there most definitely is. People who commit suicide are only thinking of themselves, and becoming overwhelmed with their problems.
 
But more than that, I feel that it also is a sin against God. Despite the obvious law of "Thou shalt not kill" (which I believe also refers to killing yourself, in either body or spirit), when you kill yourself, you are taking matters into your own hands. You are judging when you want to die rather than letting your time come. It is essentially taking the place of God.
 
I believe that God loves everyone and has a special work for them to do in the world. He desires everyone to be healthy and happy, and to choose him so they can live an eternal life without sadness or death.
 
"Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye." (Ezekiel 18:31-32)
 
 
God bless. <3

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TaylerNoelle replied...
Dec. 9, 2012 at 11:10 pm

Someone asked me a question once, and I think it fits here. Does it take a very strong person or a very weak person to commit suicide? However you answer that goes along with whether you think suicide is morally wrong, I think. Personally, I don't know. I have friends who have thought about it--much to my dismay--and....I dont know. I can't tell. But I do know that life will get better if you just wait it out. :)

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Destinee replied...
Dec. 10, 2012 at 10:57 am

My very very quick opinion before my Chem exam:
 
Suicide is most certainly and definitely morally wrong. Forget religion, let's use common sense. 
 
1. Does it harm you? Yes. Well, that was easy. 
 
2. Does it harm others? Yes. Undoubtedly, it would cause the suicidee's family and friends deep pain and misery. 
 
The thing is, however, that the suicidal person doesn't generallly expect to have to deal with the guilt/burden of committing an immoral act. 
 
K I gotta go back to studying...

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savetheplanet replied...
Dec. 10, 2012 at 9:13 pm

Hey Breece!
Gah, I keep saying I'll come back full time and then I get bogged up with schoolwork and forget that I promised.  I'm sorry to hear that you're not feeling all that great.  If you ever want to talk to me, honestly I will make time to listen.  I haven't been feeling like life is a dream lately either so I get it, I really do.

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AmayaEcho replied...
Dec. 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm

I'm a Roman Catholic, so here's what Catholicism teaches:
2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him.
It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life.
We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls.
We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us.
It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life.
It is gravely contrary to the just love of self.
It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations.
Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. the Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

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Breece6 replied...
Dec. 17, 2012 at 8:02 am

Liz, Half.note, and Destinee:
 
I am dealing with depression (it's hereditary) but between CBT and medicine I've been taking I'm no longer at the point where I'm seriously considering doing anything even close to s.uicide.  
 
Thanks for your concern though!  And yes, I agree with you guys on most of your points, s.uicide is selfish.
 
However, just to bring up something interesting and conversation worthy, what if there were unique circumstances?  
 
Like suppose someone was in a semi-vegitative state but they were suffering in it, would "suicide" (I suppose it would be more like "assisted suicide" or something) be morally justified?

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Dec. 17, 2012 at 8:24 pm

I still don't think so, because things always have the possiblity to get better- unless you kill yourself, which then puts an end to any possible improvement. If someone is dying anyway, it can't be helped, and you're putting them out of thier misery, then yes, it's okay. But otherwise it should be avoided. (And if you're in a vegitative state, can you be considered sound enough to make that decision?)

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Breece6 replied...
Dec. 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm

Imagine:
 
I suppose you're right, at that point it really doesn't count as suicide, it's just being put out of your misery.  It makes me think of Of Mice and Men

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5thSparrow replied...
Dec. 28, 2012 at 4:26 am

A few other people have already mentioned that it hurts the people that you leave behind and that it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem, which I agree with. As for religious reasons, I'm a Christian and there are several passages in the Bible that either directly or by implication condemn suicide. Romans 12:1-3 says that we must glorify God in with our bodies and present them as a "living sacrifice" (and in the English Standard Version this practice is referred to as our "spiritual worsip," which would imply that God determines how we feel about Him partially based on how we treat our bodies). 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 tells more about how we should treat our bodies, and while it's primarily talking about sexual indiscretions, here Paul was inspired to tell the Corinthians that "You are not your own." Our body is a type of "rental," so to speak, given to us by God to fulfil His work. Treating it in a way that He didn't intend and killing it before the time that He appointed would thus be regarded as a sin. A less direct example would be when the Fruit of the Spirit are discussed in the final verses of Galatians 5. One of these is "patience," "longsuffering," or "steadfastness" depending on your translation. My study bible has a note on this virtue that says that in the original Greek the word was used to refer to waiting on God's timing rather then trying to take things into your own hands. There are plenty of other examples, but these are the ones I could remember while I didn't have my Bible on me. If you're interested in some books and passages that helped me when I was considering the same thing or otherwise struggling in my life, look up the following (Because I can't quote them all perfectly yet).
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, 12:1-13
1 Corinthians 10:12-13
2 Corinthians 12:10
Job (the whole book is amazing, but if you're only going to read a small segment then the first two chapters as well as Chapter 12:1-4 will suffice)
Psalms 32:1-8, 51:8-17, 90:9-14, 124:1-8
Genesis 50:19-20 (This is Joseph's response when his brothers apologize for selling him into slavery as a child, to read the full story start in Genesis 37)
1 John 5:4-5
Phillippians 4:10-14
John 16:33
I hope you continue to improve and I hope that all of the things I said help someone on this thread.

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BlackNether12 replied...
Jan. 5, 2013 at 12:44 pm

I'm Christian and view suicide as a final act of self - murder.
 
And being christian, murder is not allowed.
Hope you the best.

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NaomiPikalek replied...
Jan. 7, 2013 at 1:39 pm

I can’t tell you what is right and wrong for you, I can’t decide that for anyone; only you know what’s right and how you should live your life or not. What I can tell you however is that I know that everyone is worth something, everyone has someone who loves them and cares for them and you should always give life a shot. If your thinking about committing suicide take a few days off from the world to really assess your situation and what you find may just surprise you. I was in a similar situation; I was depressed and thought I had nothing more to live for. I took a break from my life, I didn’t go to school, I was done with the world I was done trying. It turned out that it was just what I needed because only then did I realize that I had a lot of people who cared about me, a lot of people who loved me.  I never realized it before, with all the bad things that have happened to me, I was blind to the good things. I was so ready to give it all up because I thought I had nothing left. I wanted it all over so badly. I still struggle with depression and occasionally I contemplate suicide, but then I remember, it really isn’t all bad. So no I do not believe that suicide is the smartest option, yes I understand it and the need to just not be a part of life anymore, and no I do not have the power to decide what is right and wrong for you. So do I think suicide is wrong? I think you should decide for yourself, but always remember, you are loved :)    

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