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Imaginedangerous replied...
Nov. 12, 2012 at 6:38 pm

(Jumps up and down with hand raised) Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! I get it! I get it! (looks proud of self and high-fives the fellow Whovian)
Yeah, great going, Collin. :)
(Although I will admit some guilt for starting the travel-brochure writing contest on page two...)

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Destinee replied...
Nov. 12, 2012 at 9:56 pm

Collin: LOLLLLLLL that made my day hahahaha XD
I suck at Canadian geographhy, clearly. :P And ooooh cool! :) Newfies! I love Newfie jokes. XD
I don't get it :( Does that make me thtoopid? :( :'( 

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Destinee replied...
Nov. 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm

and what the heck is a Whovian? Like someone whose fond of The Who? Of hooves?
or wait, is it Dr Who..? 

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CollinF replied...
Nov. 12, 2012 at 11:01 pm

While we're off-topic . . . .
ht tp://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=ZSBq8geuJk0
Yes. I went there.

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MaddestLilMaid3n replied...
Nov. 13, 2012 at 2:58 pm

I believe that we need the idea of god more so than we need the actual entitiy. 
Everybody is looking for a reason to be on this Earth, a higher purpose. Having faith in "God" relieves people from having to consider the frightening possibility that there might not be something greater out there or a reason for why we we are here. For many people it may be hard to continue living normally knowing that there is no greater being watching over them. 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Nov. 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Des: A 'Whovian' is a fan of Dr. Who. It doesn't make you stupid if you've never seen it- it just means that you're really missing out on some truly epic British science fiction. :)
And thank you, MaddestLilMaid3n, for at least trying to pull this thread back on topic. :)

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half.note replied...
Nov. 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm

That music video made my ears hurt. Do you usually listen to that kind of music? (And I use the term "music" very loosely in relation to this mind-numbing song.)
Also, it may almost be Thanksgiving in the U.S. but for us living in Canada we celebrated it last month.
So this is for the Canadians:
h ttp://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=QboJM9EsYv8
Yeah, all Canadians make fun of people from Newfoundland. They were the last province to join confederation so everyone makes a joke of Newfies being slow. :P
h ttp://2.bp.blogspot.c om/-9Q1G5m2DAI0/Tpzrw-EXYbI/AAAAAAAAAb4/y-jHg2T2qi8/s1600/N
Naw, but we love them anyway. :)
And since MaddestLilMaid3n is the only one on topic I will just say something briefly about her post:
It's true that Christianity can become something of a social club or a self-help group, but I think on the most part that people don't really need just the idea of God.
Those who aren't Christian have no problem with living their lives without a belief in a higher being.
And though there are some Christians who merely believe in God for a sense of safety and an assurance that there is more to their existence tham just living for less than a century and than slipping into oblivion, there are also true Christians who have given up their wants and needs and actually have a true desire to follow God.

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Breece6 replied...
Nov. 14, 2012 at 7:04 am

Destinee can't watch Dr. Who because the Doctor has such amazing hair that in a Muslim society he would be forced to cover his head in fear of causing widespread feminine panic and skyrocketing of divorce rates.  :P
In regards to Collins music video:
ht tps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.c om/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTB9VWtw2AsHI6KA8BryM-YmwApNay1OblOqHuiRBvv9sFLzXz2
I agree that at the very least a sense of a higher presence is desired by human nature.  I think for some people they can attribute it to something else, a higher purpos such as love or the progress of the human race, etc.  
In the end I think that everyone has a secret longing for God at some level though :)

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Dynamo replied...
Nov. 14, 2012 at 11:24 am

Me got it too, Breece. Me watched Dr.Who some time back:P

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Gabrielle K. replied...
Nov. 30, 2012 at 9:05 pm

In a way, yes.  We do need a god.  There is so much hate, and evil in this world, but belief in a god/s gives us hope for mankind.  It makes us believe in something greater than ourselves, and religion has the potential to bring so many people together.  Yet, poeple can and are driven apart from it.  I believe in a god, I believe there is something more than us and this universe.  Is that true?  I do not know, but it does give me hope.  So I am conent

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TaylerNoelle replied...
Dec. 11, 2012 at 10:28 pm

A lot of people do. GOD is someone they can rely on, who will never let them down. GOD is also the reason they do the good things they do, like give to charity or help their community. Not everyone does, though. It all just depends on how you see the world. And how you see yourself, I think. In my history class we're learning about deism, a religion of sorts revolving around the theory that there is a GOD but he doesn't interfere. That's one way to look at it. Another is Christianity's Holy Spirit. GOD is a crutch for a lot of people, whether they realize it or not. Also, no matter how many times we try it, belief in GOD just can't be stopped. Doesn't that say something? That so many people keep coming back to this one idea? I think believing in GOD is good, because it helps explain a lot of whys, things that people need filled in. Why did this bad thing have to happen? GOD willed it. Why did this good thing happen? GOD is rewarding me. So it all just depends. :)

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CollinF replied...
Dec. 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm

to TaylorNoelle:
"If religion is a crutch, then there's an epidemic of broken legs." 

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Breece6 replied...
Dec. 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm

If everybody's legs are broken, is it still an epidemic?

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contemplatorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Dec. 19, 2012 at 6:16 pm

The way I see it, everybody has a broken leg. They just don't want to admit it.

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Breece6 replied...
Dec. 20, 2012 at 7:07 am

But if everybody's legs are broken, are they really "broken"?  
They're not broken compared to everyone else's.  At that point we come to whether we decide to judge ourselves versus some supernatural standard and at that point it comes to rationalizing our belief in the supernatural.
So really, asking "Do we need a God?" is pointless, as we must first determine whether there is one to decide that.  

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CollinF replied...
Dec. 31, 2012 at 12:19 am

Yes, Breece, they're still broken. 
The debate would be meaningless, as you say, if humans were, say, shrubs. God's necessary for us if he made us, and he's not if he didn't. But people are capable of thinking things through and actually deciding to do different things. Belief in a Deity is the only thing which can rationally keep society making decisions to keep itself stable. 

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CollinF replied...
Dec. 31, 2012 at 12:20 am

You could argue utilitarianism, but utilitarianism's bologna. It's the ethics of a sociopath, and a society of sociopaths would collapse. 

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Snow-White-Queen replied...
Dec. 31, 2012 at 1:18 am

Do you need a god, o thread creator?

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NaomiPikalek replied...
Jan. 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm

I believe that depends on you. Some people do need god, or idea of god, as a justification to life. Me personally I don’t believe in a god, maybe some kind of higher spiritual power but not “god”. Even though I don’t believe in god doesn’t mean I put my friends down for believing in god, or try to disprove his existence, I simply accept that we are all different and believe in different things. To some god is comfort, faith, understanding when you’re confused, salvation when your lost, to some people, god is as necessary as breathing. So do we need god? It’s much more of a personal question, because everyone thinks, and believes differently.    

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Breece6 replied...
Jan. 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm


Can't believe I was gone for so long and missed a debate with you :(

Oh well, maybe by some miracle you'll actually check this and respond.

On to business:

Your argument assumes that we need God because we are self aware and have the ability to make choices.

1) Prove it. :P

2) Give me evidence that a virtuous Christian society would be any better than a P.agan or even irreligious society.

3) Why does the "deity" have to be God? It could the belief that doing bad things makes a rabid man eating turtle fall from the sky and kill our families and as long as we sincerely believed in it I doubt it would be inneffective. If you're answer to this is "we should obey God because we love him", we can have morals because we love each other as well. I wouldn't want something bad to happen to myself, "Treat others as you would have them treat you". It's clean and simple, and despite the origins you can say it without mentioning God.

4) Not to be a nitpicking little *@#$! but how do you know that humans are the only beings capable of making choices? (I'm referring to your mentioning that my argument would be valid if humans were shrubs.)


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