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eaglesnester posted this thread...
Oct. 26, 2012 at 10:55 pm

i repeat do we need a god 

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half.note replied...
Oct. 26, 2012 at 11:30 pm

Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.
Do we need a belief in some greater being for immediate survival here on earth?
Not particularly.
But as a Christian, I believe that we do need the God, Creator of the universe, for us to move into eternity.
A man can spend his whole life here on earth ignoring God and reveling in whatever earthly pleasures he can find, but it all means zilch when death inevitably comes. So if you want to live past this short life, yes, you do need God.
But deeper than that, I also think that it is only God who can bring you true happiness, and he also provides for our needs by giving us strength to work and earn our basic necessities. In some ways, we do need him to fulfill our life on Earth.
I have added the following Bible verses because, one, this topic reminded me of them and, two, they're some of my favourite verses.
If you don't believe in the Bible, well... just humour me. :P
"Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." (Revelation 3:17-19)
Anyways, that was my little sermon of the day.
If this wasn't quite what you were looking for, feel free to ask a more specific question and I'll be happy to answer it.
God bless. <3

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eaglesnester replied...
Oct. 27, 2012 at 9:57 am

how can you believe in as well as need someone u havent seen or heard from?

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half.note replied...
Oct. 27, 2012 at 7:18 pm

I do see God.
I do hear from Him.
Whenever I look around at the world He has created, I am seeing Him.
Whenever I read the Bible that He has given us, I hear Him speaking to me.
This this isn't as arbitrary as it sounds. I'm not blindly following God just so I can feel safe or a part of something. No, as I grow to understand God I see the practicality and truth in what He is teaching me.
I really do feel a need for God. For I recognize that I am a sinner and that God wishes to make me pure.
Being Christian isn't merely recognizing that there is a God, it's a commitment to change and follow Him.
Is this a sufficient answer to your question? I hope I'm being helpful. :)

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TheKing replied...
Oct. 28, 2012 at 12:21 am

Ive recently been pressed for time, so I haven't shown my atheistic, cynical, and hopefully humorous face in some time.  However, since this is a yes or no question, I'll answer.
If you want more than that, feel free to ask, but don't expect a hasty reply, got exams comin up.

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Breece6 replied...
Oct. 29, 2012 at 8:53 am

Well if no one else is going to do it...
I for one, would like more than that TheKing, hastily or not :P
On Topic:
I think the question is circular, if there is a God we need one, if there isn't a God we don't need one.  

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 29, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Need Him for what? The question is too vague, and (for me at least) the answer depends. Do we need a God for the universe to exist? Do we need a God to be happy? Do we need a God to live a fulfilling existance? Do we need a God to provide hope and comfort? What do we need Him for?

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CollinF replied...
Oct. 29, 2012 at 8:05 pm

Absolutely. If an atheist follows his precepts to their inevitable conclusions, he finds life meaningless, pointless, and without moral laws, and he finds even his own intuitions doubtful. 
In order to have fully-functioning, meaningful lives and societies, God is a necessity. Or at least, all (or at least most) of the conclusions arrived at from belief in God are necessary: you can claim you don't believe in him all you want without actually reflecting on the claim.
Alex, is that you? I figured you'd started some multi-million dollar corporation or massive research effort or something by now. It's been so friGGin long since you posted.

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Destinee replied...
Oct. 29, 2012 at 8:27 pm

I don't know if we strictly need a god, but from a human standpoint, life without some sort of supernatural belief isn't livable for very long. How many 2nd or 3rd generation atheists do you meet? How many convert to a religion for the "community" (which a common goal/purpose provides) or "the meaning"? 
I also hold the opinion that societies as a whole need belief in something sacred to survive. Where I live, that belief is in the sacredness of "freedom". In other parts of our Earth, it is the sacredness of God's law. 

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TheKing replied...
Oct. 31, 2012 at 4:09 am

Breece:  As much as I would love to expand, the question is (as Imagine pointed out) much to vague.  As currently asked, a fairly large book could be written in answer.  To get a reply of reasonable length, I need something more... specific.  Is a god required to give life meaning?  Morality?  A sense of community?  The list goes on.  So ya, if I get something I can reasonably respond to, Ill give it a shot.  Until then.
Collin:  Its me brotha.  You, my friend, need to show your face on facebook at least once.  Both Dess and I are waiting to actually have a chance to talk wih you ya sonofagun!  Ive already chatted with Dess twice, but I have yet to even see you on!

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Breece6 replied...
Oct. 31, 2012 at 5:53 am

Hmm, how about morality?  I've been struggling with that one, would love to hear an opinion on it :)

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Nov. 1, 2012 at 6:29 pm

Everyone has a different idea of God, but the one thing that all religions have in common is that they need a higher power to reassure them that this life isn't all they get. I don't know if there is God. I would very much like to know, but I don't.

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CollinF replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 9:47 pm

to Breece: 
I'm starting Pascal's Pensees tonight, and I think it's almpst entirely about this. Supposedly the best "Life is Absurd Without God" argument ever. I'll keep ya updated, man. I also hear that was Francis Schaeffer's (sp?) specialty, though I haven't read any of his stuff. Cool goatee though. Chesterton critiques atheists' ability to live out their beliefs all through his works, but it's less of a grave, philosophical approach than one that makes you chuckle. 
And it's also important to note that even most atheists have admitted that life's pretty bleak if there isn't a God. It's what drove Tolstoy to his weird Sermon on the Mount-only version of Christianity towards the end of his life. The best answer atheist have supplied is Bertrand Russel's slightly more eloquent: "Suck it up." And  while I give him credit for havin cahonas, it's not intellectual at all. By sucking it up, he really means ignoring the truth, which is that living and dying are ultimately no different from one another.  
To Alex:
Yeah, yeah. I've pretty much made the switch to Twitter by now, man. Facebook's so 2011. Seriously though, the last time I got on I had 20 notifications and they were all invites to play Farmville. So suicide or boycotting Facebook were my two options. Plus they forced me to update to the stupid freakin timeline like fhghf Commies. So now I just stop by for the occasional joke about Liberals (and subsequent whining from my older sisters, who make me wanna gag every time they talk politics) or profound comment. I'll troll one of your posts or somethin sometime soon though if it'll make ya happy. :)

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Destinee replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 9:50 pm

Okay dude just block Farmville notifications...
Also you have to look at pictures of my nephew!! (If I don't have you on Restricted, which is very possible) He's so darling!!! :) How's your sister doing? Is married life treating her well? You gonna become an uncle any time soon? :)

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CollinF replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 9:58 pm

to Athena-----
Religion isn't entirely about afterlife. In fact, during Jesus' lifetime, a major faction of Jewish rabbis didn't (and maybe still don't?) even believe in an afterlife. Now was the whole show, yet they were still dedicated J.ews devoted to Yaweh's service for the here 'n now. In fact, they received JC's message with more enthusiasm than the faction that DID believe in life after death.
All in all, religion is just as much about now as a million years from now. You just have to look at the Catholic Church's view of suicide to see that. Once a man has realized that there's a God, he's then faced with the question of whether life on earth only or eternity also has significance. Outside of belief in the "Something More," you've got . . . well, cynicism (or terror if you're wise) then a cold, dark, insignificant death.

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CollinF replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 10:09 pm

Don't dog on me, sistuh. The shorter posts are easier for me to deal with cause I'm slightly ADD when it comes to people. Not so much so with nerdy stuff. Besides, you know I'm a man of few words. ;) #FoRizzle
And ok, ok. Females and their inborn baby fetishes. #smh 
And yup. She's almost a full dermatologist out in Colorado. Finishin up residency. And er . . . eventually. Probably not soon. I wanna be an uncle though. It's def. the coolest position to have in the family. "Crazy Uncle Collin."  
Oh, and you wanna hear somethin awkward? At Thanksgiving, we were at my sister and her husband's house, and my dad was like, "Blaine, you're the man of the house. Would you like to pray over the meal?" And guess what his response was: "No thanks." Apparently the guy's "Not really religious." Not sure who let him in the family . . .
Oh, and you like that picture of me as the purple prom pimp? :)

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Destinee replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 10:13 pm

LOL hashtags..how adorable, you tweeter :) 
I LOVE BABIES! I was very scared I wouldn't like my nephew, but I ADORE him! When I say him, I realised that my purpose in life is to have 5 kids! Babies babies babies <3 Babies make everything better. You know what I changed my name on Facebook to? "Lovely *Destinee* Auntie  Darling" LOL :) 
And his name is Isa.."Isa" is the Arabic word for "Jesus" :) Hope you approve. 
Oh goodness....you white people with your love marriages. If you'd stuck with arranged marriages then this would never have happened :P But seriously...that's awkward.....
And haha dude hilarious :P Keep it up. Soon you'll be as p.olygamous as Prophet Abraham :) 

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Destinee replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 10:15 pm

BTW did I mention how lucky I am that my sister had a kid at 22? I'm just saying, being an aunt/uncle is probably the best job EVER. You get to adore a kid without actually having to do any real work.... 
I'm just saying. That you should be jealous :)

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CollinF replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 10:55 pm

#Facepalm  Reads post again. #FacepalmAgain  Women. 
And eh. Is his middle name Allah? :)
Hahaha. Sometimes I wish somebody'd tell me who to marry. And what career to have. And what to wear. Life's so complicated as an American. Individuality AND no two girls are alike. I swear I may never marry or choose a college. :) #Sigh Maybe I should convert. 
And I'm thinkin more like . . . Solomon Style. Wise, yet equally playa material. Man had a wife for every day of the year. He'd've seen Bathsheba: "Pssh. Got me 482 o' them at home."
Seriously though. That bowtie = ladies. 

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Destinee replied...
Nov. 1, 2012 at 11:07 pm

Men and babies...and their total lack of understanding of babies <3 and how cute and amazing babies are. So perfect. Little pieces of Heaven. <3 
Oh oops. Forgot that it would be like naming someone "God" for you :/ My bad. It's outta respect of Prophet Jesus though...and you can't name kids "Allah" in Islam :) 
I have no problem telling you which career to NOT have, and that's Christian apologeticism. (That's probably not the real word...) :) And haha, yeah, it's way simpler not having to worry about your future...Life's really tough as an American...no two girls are alike AND bigamy is illegal :P And haha, you'll definitely marry :) And choosing a college really worried me too, but it'll all end up well :) Each college is nice. The nicest ones are in CAnada...you should apply here...there's a very nice religious studies; school here (the uni I go to, whose name shan't be mentioned on a public forum :P).
You can't convert to being a Pakistani :P 
Aren't there 365 days in a year? :S and wow. Okay. I did not know he had a whole harem. :/ 
That bowtie = funny :P

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