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What I find to be the most convincing reason for the supernatural

DynamoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 15, 2012 at 2:32 am

Properties outside the physical realm or inside the metaphysical realm, form the basis of the supernatural:)

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AnimaCordis replied...
Aug. 16, 2012 at 4:05 pm

I see how these can be interpreted as evidence for the supernateral, but most can be explained by science. Many religous people infer that morality is not explainable though science, there are many different scientific explinations for this. The strongest comes from yourselves ie the envrioment a child grows in. Some would label this as religious indocrenation. 
A slightly nicer interpereation is that justice is ingraned in all living things, and from this stems morality. As humans we have highly complex relationships, our transactions with others are necessisary to our existance. The morphing of these transactions and the fundemental idea of justice creates morality. Its a little complicated, only i dont want to leave a hidiously long comment on here. This also is my reason for not explaining each one of your reasons for the supernateral. 
Hope this showed an alternitive interpretation of your evidence. I am in no way expecting you to beleive what i just wrote, I am hoping you understand it and so you can just see the other argument.

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2012 at 2:36 am

Testing... testing

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2012 at 2:36 am

Yes!!! I can finally post again!!! You'll have my full response soon :P

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 24, 2012 at 1:22 pm

Destinee:
 
Sorry it took me so long to reply to this, school's been busy. 
 
However, what my entire argument is pretty much centered is around is pretty much what you perfectly described as "the illusion of choice".
 
As for your claim that we could not have an illusion without the reality, what are you basing this assumption off of?  There's not a lot of real facts in a discussion such as this, you can't be sure of anything, for all we know choice could simply be an illusion that our evolution has thrust upon us because it incentivises the struggle for existance.  
 
Even if we accept choice to be true, how can we definitively say that is evidence to a higher power, it makes about as much sense for choice to have been created out of nothing as it does for a universe full of protostars and black holes and all this other nonsense.  
 
I'm just really skeptical of how much we humans actually know, consider this for instance.
 
You mentioned that the concept of color and light are entirely human because of our human senses.  Can you imagine how the world would look through a sense that operated differently from any of our five senses?  Can you imagine the universe any other way than through our senses?  We're so closeminded, and we can't do anything about it since for all our "amazing" imagination, humans are still limited to our senses.  
 
We literally have a limit to our imagination.  How can one possibly say that knowing anything for sure is possible when we have a limit on what we can imagine?  What if choice can be interpretted as something entirely different and alien to some other sentient entity?
 
I know we have to draw conclusions at some point in order to not go insane, but I don't see why an all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent entity that happens to choice specific humans for honors above others seems like the most probably conclusion.  I've addressed this in another thread of mine I'd like you to take a look at, it should be on the first page.
 
Thanks!

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 2:10 am

Sup yall!!! long time no see, Ive been missing chattin with you guys (Dess and Collin to name a few :P)
 
Anyways...
 
"*Thumbs up* Every time I read something supporting a deterministic universe, I spontaneously jump up then sit back down. :)"

"And **** birth entering a world of space and time is a b**tch

Searching for purpose in the random universe sucks d1ck

Is it deterministic or am I free to choose my way?

Did I choose to not give a **** about ice cube trays?"

If you're confused... ht tp://ww w.yout ube.c om/watch?v=ulIOrQasR18 (make sure you have headphones :P, NSFW)

Interesting read Dess, so a muslim-ish deist eh? Cool cool, Id just like to clear some things up, dont think I fully understood ya. So basically you're saying the strongest evidence for the supernatural is humanities innate "will", propensity to make choices, and consciously commit to actions they believe to be the "right" path.

Is this a correct statement?

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 2:58 pm

THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO EVERY THREAD AND EMAIL I HAVE YET TO RESPOND TO: I am currently in the process if moving in ti my dorm at university, so I am pretty busy adapting. I'Ll def respond ASAP, and great hearig from you again Alex! I have a ton of ppl's emails now, and I even have Collin and Jubilex on FB; can we do the same? And wow typing on a phone is tiring. ttyl you guys!!!!!

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 4:48 pm

Omg... I definitealy need you guys FB!  Ya ya, TI rules and all, but I really wanna stay in contact with you guyys for a while, Ive just know ya too well!

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Whiplash24 replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 5:45 pm

TheKing is back!

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 6:19 pm

Haha, I must say I dont remember your name in particular Whiplash.  Have you changed your username?  Or were you one of the TI people that dont respond much, just observe?

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Whiplash24 replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 6:26 pm

No I just changed it about 2 hours ago. 

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Whiplash24 replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 6:40 pm

I remember you pretty well. Really funny. 

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 7:15 pm

Well I'll be here all week!  Well, probably not if history is anything to go by... but I definitely hope to chat with some of you guys.

 
What did you used to go by?

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Whiplash24 replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 7:26 pm

Gonna leave that to be a mystery. I may let it slip later. But youll figure it out. lol. 

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 7:29 pm

Hi TheKing :D
 
I'm pretty sure you're an Atheist so it might not apply to you, but I'd really like your thoughts on my thread "Why Does God have to be Omni-potent, Omni-present and stuff (forgot the rest of the title, but it has my name by it regardless)  
 
Thanks!

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 7:29 pm

Hi TheKing :D
 
I'm pretty sure you're an Atheist so it might not apply to you, but I'd really like your thoughts on my thread "Why Does God have to be Omni-potent, Omni-present and stuff (forgot the rest of the title, but it has my name by it regardless)  
 
Thanks!

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 8:39 pm

Whilplash:  And so the test begins :P
 
Breece:  Yup, I consider myself non-religious, but Ill check it out

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Whiplash24 replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 8:59 pm

 
There was a prophet who went out to proclaim God's words. He came upon a group of people who were praising a false God. He argued with them over whose God was real. the prophet prayed to God, and God answered and told him what to do. The next day, the prophet asked the group of people to have a little contest between him and them. Whoever's God could light a few bundles of wood on fire was a true God. The group went first and were circled around the wood, praying and singing. But the wood would not light. This went on for hours. Finally the prophet having gotten a little impatient, turns to his stack of wood. He raises his arms, and pronounces "Go-" and before he can finish the wood erupts into flames. Shooting toward the sky. From them on the people worshipped the one true God. 
 
That was a bed time story I got when I was little. Don't know why I shared that, but Just something i remembered.

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Destinee replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 10:14 pm

thelking: Awesome!!!!!!! If you go look for the thread in this section entitled To Imagine, leafy and breece both posted their emails. so if you email one of them for my rmail, they'll give it to you. i'd add you on FB but i'd need your name for that. :p

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TheKingThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Aug. 25, 2012 at 11:51 pm

Destinee:  Leafy just got my email and is forwarding it to you, cant wait to hear from ya.
 
(really, Im glad were doin this.  I chatted with you and Collin more then enough to want to stay in touch, and if somehow the stars align, meet ya in person someday :).  Everyone else too, Leafy, Imagine, youre all great! )

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