Snow: I see. Well then we will agree to disagree :D. I had fun, hope to see you more often.^^
Randomscreenname: Homosexuality isn't new. It's been around since ancient rome. In ancient rome, it was a completely normal and accepted thing.
I think there's nothing wrong with same sex relationships. My best friend is gay. I've held him while he's cried over the fact that he feels like he'll be alone forever, and that he's afraid that he'll never be able to be married, and that he wishes he could just like girls.
But it's not like that. If he could chose, he wouldn't be gay. It's not a choice. It's the same thing as heterosexual love. We are attracted to different body types, and different personalities. In society, we are finally getting to a point where we can openly embrace what we are attracted to.
If my best friend could be attracted to girls, believe me, he would be. But he's not, and there is nothing that could have, or ever will change that. I love him for who he is. He deserves the same amount of love and happiness that any heterosexual man does.
I don't care who's in your bedroom as long as it's healthy and a mutual agreement.
Randomscreenname: Err...it's been around at least since the ancient Greeks.
I think her point is that h.omosexuality isn't relatively constant like we'd expect if it was genetic (which it isn't). There are certain tribes in/around New Zealand where all the men go through a "h.omosexual" phase as children (it's considered a normal part of growth), then become heterosexual as adults, while tribes not far away with the same ethnic heritage have never even heard of h.omosexuality. It's societal. Young Greek boys were forced to do weird things with older men because it was considered a part of their growth. They were expected to enter heterosexual monogomous relationships as adults; it was part of being responsible. H.omosexuality is simply too unpredictable to be branded as a genetic disorder. These spread slowly and precisely, almost mathematically, while h.omosexuality is, well, all over the place and dependent on cultural mileu.
Just a quick question, why is it usually a choice between born that way, or choosing that way? What if, due to specific moments in your upbringing, it became a part of you. Like how you are probably not born with a personality, or choose a personality, but its a major part of who you are.
Just my two cents.
My position is not so much based on choice as on changeability. A man can change his personality, but he cannot change his genetic code. Granted, circumstance may make doing so very difficult, but it can be done.
Combined with the fact that all known contributing factors to h.omosexuality are negative (parental neglect, teasing by same-s.ex peers, molestation, etc.), I simply don't see any reason to say h.omosexuals should be "accepted for who they are" rather than helped. Negative things are quite often a part of who we are, and we must frequently shed them.
I give up.
For some reason no one can grasp the fact that homose.xuality is not something you choose, or something that is caused.
It Is Just What You Are Born With.
Why do you think people don't like coming out? Because they are treated like this. Like they chose it or their parents or someone else caused it and they are to blame. They can't be accepted because people think homose.xuality is something like depression, it's just a bad thing you have to get over.
I'm just 700000% DONE trying to explain that to you people. If you would just open your mind a little, maybe you would be a bit better off.
Good luck in life.
Collin- It sickens me that you have said "contributing factors to h.omosexuality". And that you said facts. It's as if you're saying, duh, everyone knows homose.xuality is caused by bad things in people's lives. No. It's actually not. I know people who have gone through horrible things and are still perfectly straight.
I am literally shaking with anger right now.
But I mean no disrespect to any of you guys. I realise I cannot shake your views, and fine, you don't have my hate, but you don't have my respect either.
Ok, listen up. Do you really think people choose to be h.omesexual? Do you think they choose to be riduculed, teased, and bullied for something they couldn't control? All those people who have killed themselves because people told them they were sinners, they were messed up, not normal? Because, news flash. THEY DON'T. Its not something that happens to them, they don't choose it, it just happens. What if one day you felt attracted to a boy, or a girl? Would you think you're a sinner for something you naturally felt? Having bad things happen to you does not cause you to like the same s.ex. You people say that God said it was a sin, think on that. Would he really 'his' children, as you say, up against such hate? Isn't he supposed to loving, understanding?
I know right!
I think white males have a totally misrepresented reputation (totally not biased here) and it's not our fault we're the most attractive form of life on the planet... :P
Snow, Queen, all the pro-h.omosexual people freaking out:
Hi! :D I'm a guy by the way (for a little context, I'm also a teenager of course :P) and I'm attracted to other guys. I also feel that it is a choice whether I act on this feeling or not. I can understand, I've had those times where I feel really helpless about my feelings, but honestly, that's just hormones :P
What I'm trying to say is, I'm a direct example of what Collin was trying to explain to you, and furthermore I think it is "not open minded" to assume that all h.omosexuals feel the same way you do that it is something you cannot control at all.
Perhaps you cannot help it, I can't speak for your life, but pretending that all people with h.omosexual desires are the same and freaking out on Collin and others like that is really unnecessary and close minded (in my opinion) on its own.
Just a little food for thought, and please, chill :P
Hi, I just want to quickly say how I feel on this topic. I'm a Christian, for starters, and I'd just like to point out that even within the church there are many different views on h.omosexuality. You just have to look at what's happening in the Church of England (yes, I'm British) at the moment to see that.
The way I see it (and this is just my opinion, I respect all of yours too) is that God created everything in this world. Which means he also created homosexual feelings. And he loves everyone. Literally everyone, no matter whether they love him back. That includes h.omosexuals, murderers, theives, anyone that anyone has ever hated. And I am in no way, shape or form comparing h.omosexuals to people who do horrific things like killing others than to say that God loves them. God even loved Hitler. So, I don't agree with people who say that God hates g.ay people, because he's not like that.
At the same time though, God gives us a choice on whether or not we act on feelings of attraction to the same gender. He created all of the things that couples do and share for a reason and in a specific way, ie. between a man and a woman. That's not saying that he believes it to be easy to give up h.omosexual feelings. It says in 1 Corinthians (chapter 10 verse 13 if you want to look it up) that "No temptation has overcome you that is not uncommon to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it."
Not to get snippy, but you're saying that it's ok for people to have h.omosexual feelings, but not to act on them?
Essentially, yes, but I get that it's more complicated than that.
Actually ho,mosexuality is on the same lines of murder and stealing, because all sin is equal to God. No one ever said that God hates the sinner neither was anyone trying imply it.
Actually since hom'mose'xuality is a sin then it is on the same lines as murder stealing and ra'ping, because God puts all sin on the same level. But no one said God hates the sinner, he only hates the sin
*Puts hands up in defensive position* Sorry guys; didn't mean to make anyone sick. I'm only trying to suggest that there's more to this than DNA. Playing the "Born this way" card off-hand is being intellectually and emotionally lazy. People are too deep to do that. It does them an injustice.
(I promised myself I'd stay away from this forum, see how well that worked out...)
So Kenrichi, what you're saying is, loving someone of the same gender is just as bad as murdering someone?
Would be bad if I loved a married woman? If she had an affair with me for a 11 months before divorcing her husband so she could be with me? Ofcourse not becuase it is all in the name of love!!!!
Sorry for the bad grammer. I don't know how these mistakes slip by me so easily.
Snow: Acting upon that love, yes; is equally as bad as murdering someone.