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Saratn replied...
Jul. 17, 2006 at 9:39 am

Okay, thank you for helping me with that. ^_^

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'Graff replied...
Jul. 17, 2006 at 11:41 am

Quote:
Originally posted by Ticklipple
1. Yep, the apostrophe can stand in for missing letters when illustrating dialects, etc, no problem. The same with any other instance - 'Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em', for example.

2. I think this might be slightly more varied in American English (I could be wrong), but certainly in England, you end with a full stop only if nothing is going to come after. So it'd be:

"I don't have a clue," he said.

VS.

He replied, "I don't have a clue."



Correct me if I'm wrong: Brits put the punctuation that ends the sentence inside the quotation marks only when the identical punctuation ends the quotation, too. Americans follow the identical rule, with only two exceptions: the period and comma.

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'Graff replied...
Aug. 3, 2006 at 10:42 pm

Also, it's really difficult to read dialect. It's beyond hard to appropriately render dialect through writing. It's far better to use diction to distinguish between the high/low-born.

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Ticklipple replied...
Aug. 10, 2006 at 3:07 pm

You are correct on your punctuation analysis - I didnt put it succinctly or even completely. At all. Well done!

However, I must disgree with your dialect-derision. Few things please me more than the warm afterglow of reading through a written representation of a dialect and thinking 'yes, that's JUST how it sounds.'

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'Graff replied...
Sept. 3, 2006 at 7:26 pm

Quote:
Originally posted by Ticklipple
You are correct on your punctuation analysis - I didnt put it succinctly or even completely. At all. Well done!

However, I must disgree with your dialect-derision. Few things please me more than the warm afterglow of reading through a written representation of a dialect and thinking 'yes, that's JUST how it sounds.'



How often do you get that feeling?

I just think that amateur writers too often rely on dialect to affect low-brow speech, etc., when they should--instead--use diction to create that effect.

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Ganymede replied...
Sept. 3, 2006 at 11:34 pm

But Sir, amateur authors can use anything badly, the problem is the amateurism. I find accent phoneticisation really useful (when it's subtle) in British books, partly because slight variations in accent are so important to forming an impression of a character, and partly because - as a colonial - I'm not as automatically familiar with them so it helps to have things spelled out.

Do you like Dorothy L. Sayers, sir? She does it beautfiully (I've just been rereading Murder Must Advertise)

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'Graff replied...
Sept. 3, 2006 at 11:43 pm

I've never read anything by her. But, yes, it's true, amateurs just eff things up naturally. It comes to them easily.

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Ganymede replied...
Sept. 3, 2006 at 11:55 pm

AH! Oh Sir, she's amazing, she was a writer from the '20s who wrote these contemporary mysteries with "Lord Peter Whimsey" as the slueth, he's this ridiculous foppish dandy who feins inbred imbecility but is actually delightfully droll and intelligent, he's Marvelous, I dote on the whole series

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'Graff replied...
Sept. 3, 2006 at 11:58 pm

Of course, only you would read series written about poofters in the 20s. I should have assumed the books would be stellar. And gay. :o

[Edit: Christ, what the hell was I on? This is completely unintelligible.]

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Ganymede replied...
Sept. 4, 2006 at 12:50 am

Psshh, Lord Peter's a bit flamboyant, but the only mention of him ever having a romantic entaglement is when he falls for this woman who's been accused of poisoning her boyfriend.

No, if you want gay '20s literature it's all about Mae West. If you haven't yet, you should Definitely read her scripts, especially "The Pleasure Man" and "The Drag."

She was writing interesting, engaging plays about intelligent, sympathetic, unrepentant drag queens and sex trade workers, and she spent a lot of time in court and a bit of time in gaol for her efforts, she was fucking amazing. She used to hang out in pansy clubs and get arrested as a drag queen when they had raids. I Love Her.

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underdog replied...
Oct. 17, 2006 at 5:26 pm

well, i dont know about you guys,

but i like to have strieght action heroes.:rolleyes:

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pkc replied...
May 17, 2007 at 1:55 pm

on the first page of the gramar page its about grammar/fight/argument/ethno something/grammar

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crusader_[cdc] replied...
Jun. 26, 2007 at 4:22 pm

considering now a days proper grammer isnt even used when we speak, to me a story is more believable when the people speaking arent speaking properly like

sally said "me and you are goin to a movie."
proper english would be.
sally said "you and i are going to a movie."

but how many teens to you hear use proper english while writing a story its better to use proper english while describing things, feelings, places, and so on. but while people are speak its more realistic to act like its your friend talking.

i think we all know the basics but i know if i have any questions when writing a story or need someone to fix things for me ill ask you.

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crusader_[cdc] replied...
Jun. 26, 2007 at 4:31 pm

btw reading the first page again
just because you dont get proper english doesnt mean a thing about your intellect

some people jsut dont get it i study, read, and write more than half the kids with better english grades than me but i still suck at spelling and grammer. i can write good peotry and stories and im am not an idiot. some people dont get math others dont get english. its not because their stupid its because they just dont get it.


not everyone can be the best at everything. i can read middle english better than my english teacher could i corrected her alot but i still have problems with grammer, and i dont think people calling others stupid because of grammer is needed. except people and the fact that others get things and others dont. thats why our world is so effed up because people think their better than others.

get over it and except the fact not everyones perfect.

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Ticklipple replied...
Jun. 26, 2007 at 6:48 pm

Firstly, note that on about the 4th page, I apologised if I have been overly prescriptive.

Secondly, this thread only covered the very most basic rules of English grammar - the ones which are necessary to correctly convey what you are trying to say. Without a good understanding of these rules, your work will be difficult to read and open to misinterpretation.

The thing about ethnocentricity was referring to the fact that I was using British English rather than American English in the post, which led to someone believing that I had misspelled in it. Don't worry about that.

I'm not saying you're an idiot if you have trouble with grammar. I'm also not saying that you can't use grammar to be representative of 'real life' (that is, using common grammatical 'mistakes' in a person's speech if it is appropriate). However, if you want something understood in Standard English, you have to be able to write in Standard English, which is why this whole thing was created.

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crusader_[cdc] replied...
Jun. 27, 2007 at 3:18 am

when i made the idiot comment i wasnt reffering to you in anyway i understand why you posted that

i was actually reffering to the people who posted comments on the 1st page not you
that message was not immplied to you it was for those who think they have the right to call someone they dont know stupid because they dont get things better than others.

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LukasSnart replied...
Oct. 29, 2007 at 4:27 pm

Quote:
Originally posted by Ticklipple
REALLY BASIC RULES OF GRAMMAR

This really ought to apply to all [size=5]fora,[/size] but I should think that it's most important in this forum.



I truly believe, everyone should mind there peas and FORA. :D

Sheesh! I cannot believe that after all these years, I never noticed that. Shows you where my mind has always been. :rolleyes:

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underdog replied...
Oct. 29, 2007 at 6:45 pm

Wow... were all such good freinds here, I think it's time to...




[SIZE=4]GO TO THE DUMPSTER![/SIZE]

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mibs_14 replied...
Jan. 9, 2008 at 3:19 pm

grammar is just confusing!!! english has to many rules to follow... especially colons and semicolons...ugh... i can get every thing but those two!

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pazdelamente replied...
Jan. 23, 2008 at 12:10 am

HAH! I posted the hundreth post!

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