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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 2:59 pm

thats the reason most people dont believe. i am very sorry for your grandmother. The story of satin is that he was God's most beautiful angel. he thought he deserved to be God, god didnt allow this so he cast him down to make a "heaven" of his own, but bcuz of his anger (that he couldnt be god) he created he.ll on Earth. God told him to create his own "heaven" til *when the rapture happens* (this time wasnt specified) thats why there is evil on Earth. i understand how many ppl think God is to blame however he can save you from all evil with faith. obv. he doesnt always come thru, i never fully understood this myself, but ik that God always answers prayers, His answer may be yes, no, or in time. i believe that satin was the cause of your grandmothers pain. i have no explanation as to why God didnt prevent that. i am very sorry tho

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 3:03 pm

i believe the reason God allows satin to cause evil is bcuz he is in a way, keeping a deal with satin. and God is loyal to his word. he told him he could make his own "heaven" and that is what hes attempting to do

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CarrieAnn13 replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 3:07 pm

I know the story of Satan and his fall from Heaven. But when you say 'he doesn't always come thru', that implies that He is not in fact, omnipotent. His omnipotence is one of the main claims made by the church, is it not? So if God Himself cannot prevent evil, what is the point in worshiping him?

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 3:08 pm

He can prevent it, but in some cases He chooses not to, i hate that i have no explanation for this

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CarrieAnn13 replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 3:13 pm

And therein lies the problem with every single religion: they cannot explain why there is such evil in the world if their God(s) are all-powerful. So if there is a God, then He is not all-powerful, He is breaking his word to us (the people that He created) or He simply does not care. But of course, there is another explanation: There is no God or higher power. This last explanation is the one I happen to believe.

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 3:15 pm

i understand what youre saying. but i am sticking to my belief. i am not trying to change you or what you believe. i would love to discuss this more but i have to go. thank you for the discussion tho. it was quite insightful

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CarrieAnn13 replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 3:16 pm

I'm not trying to change what you believe either and I commend you for your faith. Perhaps we can discuss this later; I've really enjoyed discussing religion in a respectful manner.

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 3:31 pm

I did too. I'd talk longer but I have to help with dinner. Maybe we could talk at this same time tommorrow?

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CarrieAnn13 replied...
Dec. 23, 2011 at 6:10 pm

Sure. But it won't be for as long because I have to go to my boyfriend's birthday party.

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CarrieAnn13 replied...
Dec. 26, 2011 at 2:19 pm

I'm so sorry for not being here for a discussion for two days. I was busier than I thought I would be, but that's no excuse. You have my deepest apologies.

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 26, 2011 at 5:30 pm

Oh don't worry about it. I've been busy too. In fact I can't talk at the minuet bcuz I'm at dinner, hopefully I can get online soon tho, I'm sorry!

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DebbieSham replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 12:20 pm

Hey there! I'm actually really happy you started this discussion. I am Jewish and have been attending a private school since the fourth grade. When my parents transferred me to private school from public, I was upset because I hated the school and didn't understand what God was, or why anything that had to do with religion mattered. My sister, who was in seventh grade at the time (she is now 18) fell in love with the ideas that religion taught, and I was only keeping the sabbath and kosher because she was, even though it made no sense to me. When I reached seventh grade and my sister was in tenth, as she became less religious, I continued being religious on my own. It was in seventh gave that I realized that religion meant more than what I had understood before. Now I am in tenth grade and continue to keep sabbath and kosher on my own ( because my parents want to keep these things but grew up in Russia, where these rituals were dangerous). When I was in 8th grade, I wanted to know more than I was taught in my private school (not that it wasn't a good school). I began reading more about different religions and have some questions, if you don't mind answering them for me that is! And of course, I don't want to get into an argument, I'm just curious and want know more! 1. Do you believe that Jesus is the Messiah? If so, why? If Jesus is the Messiah, he would have been able to save himself, no? 2. Jesus was a Jew and actually learned Torah. Most of the parables he taught were actually from the Torah (as far as i know, please correct me if I'm wrong). Jesus was not trying to form a new religion, but was trying to spread the beliefs of the Torah. So if the new testament is written from the old testament and many of the teachings of Christianity are from the old testament, do you ponder the possibility that you are not originally Christian, but Jewish because all the people who converted to Christianity (in Judaism there is no such thing as converting to another religion because once a Jew, always a Jew) were Jewish? Again, thank you so much for starting this discussion!! If you have any questions for me, i would be happy to answer them!

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DebbieSham replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 12:43 pm

Hi! i just want to join your conversation because i'm also really interested in what others have to say about their beliefs. I'm Jewish ( I sort of wrote like my whole story on the bottom lol), but anyway, to help answer your question: God allows evil in the world because life is all about growing, and we, people, are given the opportunity to decide wether we want to take part in evil or good. If God were known, moral choice would end. And since God's existence is unprovable, doubt is natural. There was actually something very interesting I once read: A man asked God,"Why do you not do anything about the evil in this world?" God answered the man, " I did, I sent you." WIthout evil in this world, and of course I'm not justifying anything that is evil, there would be no freedom of choice. This is what life is all about, making choices and deciding what is right from wrong. Also, if there is no God, how does one classify right from wrong? If there is no God and everything is an accident, then what is right and what is wrong? How ca there be evil if everything ia an accident. What does it matter?? These are just some thoughts, some things I have read. I'm truly interested in what you have to say! Thanks

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 12:48 pm

AH! i just wrote out a whole response and it didnt post!!!!

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 12:58 pm

Debbie! im rewritting my response lol, give me a few minuets! but i have a question for any other Atheists reading this, ****this is not meant to be offensive!**** i read a saying a while ago (bottom of comment) and it stuck with me, so if anyone has any comments about this please explain to me if this is what you believe or not and why " Atheism: The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch if everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self replacing bits which then turned into dinosaurs makes perfect sense."

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 1:30 pm

Is it weird that I am actually excited to have this conversation? Lol (then again I am drinking a lot of mt. dew lol) But the last post I posted must have had something that teenink didn’t allow so it didn’t post so now I know to copy my comment before posting XP anyway, your story is very interesting, so you didn’t believe but did for your sister? Then she kinda stopped and you began to even more? (just trying to clarify) so your questions, I can answer the 1st one and part of the 2nd. Yes I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, bcuz of all the miracles He preformed, the Bible says He is, God says He is, He died for US (which I find completely amazing!), He rose from the dead, and He ascended to Heaven! Im sorry that this isn’t that clear or specific but you know how it is, you know the answer to a question until its asked XP lol. And your right, if He was the Messiah, He WOULD have been able to save himself. But that’s the thing, why would He? Jesus was and is literally the most perfect man to ever live! The reason He died on the cross, was to save everyone that has and will ever live! If Jesus wasn’t the Messiah, then what reason would He have to stay and be killed? Logic says he would have run away or at least tried to if He wasn’t the Messiah. Right? But He died for US! To save us! So to answer your question, He could have saved Himself, but didn’t bcuz He died for our eternal lives in Heaven. Make sense? For your 2nd question, im not quite sure what the term “Torah” is. O.O is that bad? and im not really sure what you’re asking :P lol sorry! but I have in fact considered however that Christians are Jewish, but the difference is that (correct me if im wrong) je.ws are waiting for the Messiah, Christians believe that Jesus already came and is the Messiah. So to answer that, I dont believe that I am ”originally” Jewish bcuz since I was baptized, I believed that Jesus has already came and is the Messiah. But I understand what you mean and ive thought of it myself. Hopefully this will post and I answered your questions lol (oh and I hope the term je.w isn’t offensive, I really don’t mean for it to be, I just didn’t know what form of the word “Jewish” of w/e to use lol)

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CarrieAnn13 replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 2:17 pm

Since you've forgiven me for my rudeness, I have another question for you. :) What is baptism? What importance does it hold in Christianity?

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 2:22 pm

rudeness? lol you werent rude! baptism is just a symbolic practice. we commit out lives to God and Jesus and every thing lol. thats about as simple as i can get it

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CarrieAnn13 replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 2:23 pm

How does dunking someone under water help commit your life to God?

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guesswhat replied...
Dec. 27, 2011 at 2:28 pm

its just symbolic. i never really understood it either.

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