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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Jul. 17, 2013 at 4:25 pm

Recently, I did a persuasive speech in class on why we should pursue space colonization. I kinda approached it as a joke--you know, playing the Devil's Advocate. But it turns out . . . space colonization is happening now! In fact, private companies are doing screenings to find colonists to settle Mars by 2023! And it's not just crazies or overeager businessmen in on this: even Buzz Aldrin says in his new book Mission to Mar: My Vision for Space Exploration, that we should be able to have a fully-operational Mars colony by 2035! Not to mention a base on the moon, and then . . . the sky's the limit (haha, funny expression in context).
 
This was, without a doubt, the coolest project I've ever done. The thought of humanity being an "inter-planetary" species is indescribably awesome. If enough people get on board, then before we die, we'll be seeing traffic come and go between planets in our Solar system. 
 
In case you wanna be one of the peeps who go to Mars, check out this link:
htt p://mars-one.c om/en/faq-en/21-faq-selection/251-do-i-qualify-to-apply

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Jul. 17, 2013 at 7:05 pm

While in theory, it would be really amazing to be able to survive on different planets, why would someone even want to do that? There is no air on mars or the moon, are those colonists gonna spend their entire lives inside space stations? The very environment doesn't allow humans to live in space, space colonization just seems like too much of a force, how many people are gonna die before they adapt to live in such bizarre circumstances? What's wrong with earth? There are no trees or rain or animals or food in space, it seems like it would be a very lonely and dull existence. 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jul. 17, 2013 at 9:19 pm

I imagine colonists coming from Europe to the New World thought the same thing. And the traders building the Silk Road. And the guys who colonized the Pacific. (I have seen that ocean, and I've seen those canoes, and there is no way I'd ever set out to the middle of nowhere in a hollow log.)
 
 
While I don't have the guts to go where no one has gone before, I have incredible respect for the people that do. It's one of the things that rocks about humanity.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 12:38 am

I am 110% for this for several reasons.
 
1. I think its awesome.
2. Someday something will happen to Earth, so as a human being I'd like us to survive.
3. I think a big national push for a project like this would create a renewed sense of pride in America, while creating jobs, encouraging people to pursue careers in science and engineering, and leading to tons of new technological breakthroughs that will help our economy (so fund NASA!)

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 1:00 am

^Imagine New York city in 50 years. 
 
Can you say . . . Coruscant? :D

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Archy replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 3:09 am

Sorla: i personally would love hopping around a world with different gravity and different enviroments. Explore. O and we wouldnt settle anywhere in space without air filtration.

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DynamoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 4:16 am

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have always wanted to live on Pluto, with Uranus in its orbit nearby ^.^
 
o.O

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 6:36 am

Don't be slipped by the "private companies" part -- there is little to no potential for legitimate space exploration in the private sector. These "private companies" you hear about are commissioned and funded by NASA and the government. Just sayin' 'cause a lot of people have gotten turned around about that. No, space exploration is not entering the private sector, nor is it anywhere close. We still need NASA, now as much as ever.
 
Sorla:
 
"There is no air on mars or the moon"
 
Mars does have an atmosphere, actually.
 
"why would someone even want to do that?"
 
The ocean is such a bleak place, it's not fit to sustain human life, why would anyone ever want to spend their life sailing a ship?
 
Dynamo:
 
"I have always wanted to live on Pluto, with Uranus in its orbit nearby"
 
You couldn't very well live on either, unfortunately, until we invent either some form of artifical gravity or a pod that can float within the gasses of a gas giant. Uranus is a gas giant and pluto is practically microgravity. Also, you'd be light hours away from the Earth on either one, so communication might be difficult. But who knows, nobody in their right mind is going to say either of those technologies is impossible!

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 5:26 pm

So...who would go and be one of the first colonists on Mars if they had a chance?

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 6:14 pm

sorla:
 
Why would we wanna go there?
 
Cause it's there. :)
 
Good point that there might be casualties though.  Aldrin's plan calls for a moon colony first, so we could work out kinks before sending anybody long-distance. Plus, there are gonna be a LOT of people working on this, I'm sure. I don't see why we couldn't figure out how to pull it off without casualties with 7 billion brains on earth.

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Does anyone else think this would foster better relations between major world powers? Aldrin says the funding would need backing from more than one gov. probably.
 
I mean, how could something like this not breed pride in our whole species regardless of nationality? 

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 6:18 pm

Quantum:
 
Not me. Don't get me wrong, It'd be the most amazing experience of all time, but I can't even fly without almost passing out. *Sigh* Acrophobia, the killer of dreams.
 
Plus, it's gonna be lonely out there if it really is just teams of 4. They should make the trip a reality tv show. :)
 
Would you go?

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 7:44 pm

Ummmm....it would be really awesome, but I don't think so. It would be a hard decision though. It would depend was going with me.
 
In general though I'd probably prefer to be one of the engineer masterminds behind the thing.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 18, 2013 at 7:45 pm

"Does anyone else think this would foster better relations between major world powers? Aldrin says the funding would need backing from more than one gov. probably. 
  
I mean, how could something like this not breed pride in our whole species regardless of nationality? "
 
Definitely.

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DynamoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 19, 2013 at 2:46 am

SDD: I know, I know. But I really want to live on Pluto. All the ice...... o.O

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Jul. 19, 2013 at 10:18 am

Yes mars may have an atmosphere, but it physically can not sustain human life. At least the ocean has air and a food source. We evolved on earth, therefore, we can only survive on earth. We weren't made to live on different planets. Why don't we worry about improving the quality of life here before we decide to take to outer space? It seems like people want to create these colonies to start over, to try and create a new society, a new utopia. Its expensive and just plain illogical. The money used to develop these colonies should be used to develop third world countries.

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CollinFThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 19, 2013 at 10:37 am

Sorla:
 
*Shrug* We could terraform. Innovate. We weren't meant to live in a lot of place we live. Granted, this is much more extreme, but so is our technology.
 
And I don't see why we couldn't improve life here and colonize space at the same time. There are 7 billion of us. We can multitask. :) Besides, in the long-term space colonization would bring in big revenue from mining and tourism, which in turn could be used to help things here. And just look at all the practical inventions that came out of NASA's trip to the moon. Who knows what we might end up with after this venture.
 
And eh, utopias are impossible. I just want us to go cause it's friggin awesome. I don't really think Alan Shepherd's much of a utopian visionary either . . .
 
I see what you're sayin about 3rd-world countries. Though, 1) In the long-term, space colonization would actually generate revenue (If not, then why would the private sector ever want to pursue it?) and 2) I'm not sure just funneling money into 3rd-world countries' economies is helping. In fact, I think lots of people from these countries are asking us to stop, cause there's no telling where the money ultimately ends up. What they need is banks willing to loan to the poor. Have you heard of the Grameen Bank? 

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SummerIndigoThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 19, 2013 at 10:39 am

I heard that the plan for the moon colony is to get older people (I think like 55 or 60+) to go first, so if it doesn't, um, work out, well, they didn't have that much time left anyway.

That seems kinda wrong to me.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 19, 2013 at 1:29 pm

Eh...I don't know. As long as the older people want to go it kind of makes sense. I mean I don't support kidnapping old people and saying - "you're going to the moon." but if they choose to do it, why not?

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jul. 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm

See, and I don't think that space exploration will help international relations much at all. Remember that most of our greatest exploratory achievemnts to date were because of the Cold War- a rocky time in international relations if there ever was one. (Even if all the countries going into space are technically allies, there will still be arguments over who has to fund it and who gets the credit.)

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